More fake service dog nonsense

[Arzeena]

Oh yay! Another “I don’t know what a service animal is” and “I’ll hate on people with disabilities!” thread!!!

 

 

A SERVICE ANIMAL DOES NOT ATTEMPT TO BITE, GNARL, SCRATCH, BARK AND SNAP AT OTHERS!

 

 

Nobody anywhere posted that they hate disabled people!

[voyager70]

A SERVICE ANIMAL DOES NOT ATTEMPT TO BITE, GNARL, SCRATCH, BARK AND SNAP AT OTHERS!

 

 

Nobody anywhere posted that they hate disabled people!

 

She doesn't seem to get it.

[TiiiSailor]

I agree completely, it does not matter the size of the dog it can still be a service/comfort dog. I am not saying I agree with people abusing this, but it seems people in the U.S. specifically, push things to the furthest possible to get what they want. I was on a flight once from FLL to DTW and about 26 people needed to have a wheelchair to board, but it was amazing how many in that 3 hour flight had no problem walking off the plane because they did not want to wait for the wheelchair on landing. I even mentioned it to the flight attendants and they said it was a joke, most do it to board first and the airline gets charged for that service. Which guess who ends up paying for that in the end?

 

You were on one of those "miracle" flights. I've been fortunate to witness the same miracle while flying in/out of West Palm Beach, FL. There was no burst of light or singing of angels when the miracle occurred. The just got up from their seats and moved as fast as everyone else.

[Ashland]

PLEASE email Mr Bailey's office before you get off the ship. Also talk to the Guest Services manager on board relating your experience.

I'll add another "PLEASE" to this. I certainly would have already spoken to as many of the senior staff onboard I could find !

[A&L_Ont]

She doesn't seem to get it.

 

I agree.

 

You were on one of those "miracle" flights. I've been fortunate to witness the same miracle while flying in/out of West Palm Beach, FL. There was no burst of light or singing of angels when the miracle occurred. The just got up from their seats and moved as fast as everyone else.

 

We have had those flights too from DTW to FLL. One individual have their cane for early boarding and when we landed they walked off the plane and beat us to the luggage carousel. I’m guessing it was a folding cane as we didn’t see it after.

[bigbadandugly]

That dog might sense the man’s blood sugar swings before his pump can or before he thinks to check. This is life saving, especially on a ship where quick access to a hospital isn’t there.

 

I’m not acutely familiar with diabetes but my comment is more general than that: it you have some precarious health issues, I’m not sure a cruise is your best vacation option. Many cruises I’ve been on spend most of the time in countries where healthcare services may not be up to your standards and ships spend a lot of time at sea. Not to mention the inconvenience you would be causing other passengers if the cruise line had to divert for a medical emergency.

 

 

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[toxicfairy]

The airlines are starting to catch on now.

 

 

And furthermore:

 

 

I can go on ebay and or Amazon and purchase a certificate' date=' vest and cards to hand out...no questions asked. And I have no need for them! It is THAT easy! I looked into it when my hisband jokingly said we could save the $1200 to bord the dogs by taking them with us. I wanted to see just how easy it would be.

Keep in mind I would never even comsider actually doing this ... I love my boys but they do NOT belpng on a cruise ship! I have a 90 pound lab mix and a 65 pound shepherd I'm sure everyone would love to see 2 big dogs playing catch in the Promenade.

 

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[faulacre]

I'm sorry to say nothing RCCL can do about this. The federal law in the United States is very clear. The cruise line or business cannot even ask the reason for the animal. It is not just Cruise lines same thing happens on Airplanes. I have a friend here, another American, who loves Standard Poodles, comes from a very wealthy New York Family. No health or mental issues, but plays the system. His dogs travel on the Airplane with him in the cabin.

 

He purchased a new puppy two years ago, from the top breeder in North America, but had the correct paperwork saying it was a service dog. Which here in the Philippines means go to the doctor pay a office fee and get the letter. With this letter he was able to travel with the dog in the cabin for the flight and no one could question anything.

There actually is no "paperwork". If someone has a certificate saying it is a service dog, it is most likely fake. I am currently having my dog trained as a service dog for my MS and am very familiar with the laws. For the dog to be considered a service dog, it has to be trained to do an actual task. Emotional support dogs are not trained, however they also do not have the same access as trained service dogs. Airlines, cruiseships, etc do not have to allow emotioal support dogs.

 

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[carl0825]

I'm allergic to dogs and calling the cruise line as they open today. The sender will put me in the hospital, I always carry the card I received from the state so no one can question it

 

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[chengkp75]

There actually is no "paperwork". If someone has a certificate saying it is a service dog, it is most likely fake. I am currently having my dog trained as a service dog for my MS and am very familiar with the laws. For the dog to be considered a service dog, it has to be trained to do an actual task. Emotional support dogs are not trained, however they also do not have the same access as trained service dogs. Airlines, cruiseships, etc do not have to allow emotioal support dogs.

 

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Actually, while you are correct that cruise lines do not have to allow ESA's, under the ADA, the airlines, as per the ACAA do allow ESA's. Two totally different laws.

[faulacre]

Actually, while you are correct that cruise lines do not have to allow ESA's, under the ADA, the airlines, as per the ACAA do allow ESA's. Two totally different laws.

Thank you, I didnt realize this about airlines. I don't fly. [emoji16]

 

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[gerif]

I'm allergic to dogs and calling the cruise line as they open today. The sender will put me in the hospital, I always carry the card I received from the state so no one can question it

 

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I guess you mean dander? There’s a government issued card for that? How do you go about functioning every day? Suppose you are in a department store or restaurant and someone comes in with a legitimate service animal - will that send you to the hospital? I have about 20 show cats - if I stand near you will that send you to the hospital?

[Expat Cruise]

Looks like time to lock another thread, 5 pages and nothing has been changed here and nothing will . The thread already has enough information that people can read and make choices.

[Wine-O]

Looks like time to lock another thread, 5 pages and nothing has been changed here and nothing will . The thread already has enough information that people can read and make choices.

 

You don't have to read it anymore -- just move on yourself. I would like others to post their experiences with the fake ADA dogs, and maybe the cruise line will finally get the message that FiFi doesn't belong on cruise ships -- leave the freaking dog at home!!!

[nhraformula00]

have a little CHEESE with your WINE

[peach section]

Looks like time to lock another thread, 5 pages and nothing has been changed here and nothing will ...

 

Really only 4 pages - if you ignore the poster (not naming names) that takes up a whole page for one post, responding to every.single.comment at once.

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[sjhanksaz]

I read a couple of articles that made me laugh. One was a lady who tried to bring a peacock onto a plain as a comfort animal and the other was about a hamster. The airline told the woman with the hamster she could not bring it onboard so the woman not wanting to miss the flight went into the bathroom and flushed it down the toilet. Later she got real upset with the airline and blamed her actions on the airline.

 

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[graphicguy]

I guess you mean dander? There’s a government issued card for that? How do you go about functioning every day? Suppose you are in a department store or restaurant and someone comes in with a legitimate service animal - will that send you to the hospital? I have about 20 show cats - if I stand near you will that send you to the hospital?

Eyes water to the point you would think I’m crying, manic sneezing, eyes swell, among other maladies.

 

I can control it with meds, which is how I lived with pets before. Now that I’m an empty nester and have no pets, I don’t need meds (and feel better as a result).

 

Truth is, I have only come across a couple of LEGITIMATE service animals in the last year. Both were seeing eye dogs. Both were outside with their owners. That mitigated how I was affected.

 

On a cruise ship elevator? A restaurant? A dept store? Introduce an emotional animal into that environment and you’ll believe I’m a blubbering, sneezing mess.

[LMaxwell]

Did you say anything or question this guy as to why he brought a dog on board?

 

Asked him not to shove his pet in my kids face. Guy seemed drunk so didn't push it.

[LMaxwell]

Oh yay! Another “I don’t know what a service animal is” and “I’ll hate on people with disabilities!” thread!!!

 

 

The guy didn't have a disability, just wanted his doggy with him.

 

He was parading it around for people to pet.

 

I know what a service animal is and have a lot of compassion for people with a disability that require trained service animals, or any disability really. I am fortunate enough, at least at this point in my life, not to have a disability and I count my blessings.

 

But I also know when someone is completely full of crap like this guy was.

[Merion_Mom]

The guy didn't have a disability, just wanted his doggy with him.

 

He was parading it around for people to pet.

 

I know what a service animal is and have a lot of compassion for people with a disability that require trained service animals, or any disability really. I am fortunate enough, at least at this point in my life, not to have a disability and I count my blessings.

 

But I also know when someone is completely full of crap like this guy was.

 

I "got" what you meant in your original post, and I get you now.

 

Others may be unclear about the nuances of dogs on ships, but it was clear from the beginning what YOU encountered.

 

UGH on the man and his ilk!!!!!

[LadyBeBop]

Wish I knew how to post a picture here.

 

My friend sent me one from the Freedom last week of a dog who was painted orange and black, made to look like a lion...parading through the casino...

 

Do you mean this dog? I was also on the Freedom last week.

 

When I first encountered him on the cruise terminal before embarking, I thought it was a show animal bought in to entertain us while we waited to board. Our embarkation was delayed a couple of hours due to a perceived bomb threat. Seemed that a bomb sniffing dog gave a false positive to a pallet of supplies being loaded onto the ship.

 

[chengkp75]

And I see a "medical alert dog" tag on the leash. :rolleyes:

[LMaxwell]

And I see a "medical alert dog" tag on the leash. :rolleyes:

 

Moron is a medical term and this is a way of the dog alerting the rest of us that its owner is a moron.

[lbjen]

Moron is a medical term and this is a way of the dog alerting the rest of us that its owner is a moron.

 

They definitely did not need the tag to achieve that!