Rare Victoria2 Posted January 2, 2021 #226 Share Posted January 2, 2021 7 hours ago, Underwatr said: It would be an improvement if the clip-ons looked imperfect enough to pass for hand-tied. DW and I used to enjoy sorting the tie-ers from the clippers at the cocktail party. 'We're' no longer part of the self tie contingent. Fumble fingers now means we are relegated to clip on perfection. It's a tie. It conforms. We conform, they conform [I could conjugate the verb in its entirety but it's too early]. I do hope 'we' wouldn't be judged as wanting as we're sorted into the clip on bow tie brigade. 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac1953 Posted January 2, 2021 #227 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Strange that you never see people wandering around looking for help to tie their shoe laces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Victoria2 Posted January 2, 2021 #228 Share Posted January 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, BigMac1953 said: Strange that you never see people wandering around looking for help to tie their shoe laces. Possibly because those with finger problems wear slip ons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Windsurfboy Posted January 2, 2021 #229 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I must admit it took me a lot longer to learn to tie a bow tie than to use a knife and fork. Back to "Pea Gate" . Victoria2, brought up the very correct notion of the right way to use a fork, in a pleasant light hearted way in her reaction to the association of the term Riff Raff with not being a high level Cunard club member. I must take the responsibility for reacting to the suggestion the using a fork as a shovel is acceptable and creating "Pea Gate". People on this forum zealously argue against any minor infraction of their own version of the dress code. For the same people to advocate a lowering of table etiquette, is unbelievable. I must categorically state that when eating in what is one of the most elegant restaurants on the seas , seeing people shovel their food would be more offputting than seeing people in casual dress. In terms of standards, table manners trump dress code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipgeeks Posted January 2, 2021 #230 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Re bowties: Although I do prefer the look of self-tie, I absolutely understand how hard they are to do. I tie DH's; I can't imagine having to do so on oneself, and one cannot necessarily assume that the cabin steward is capable. The idea of imperfect clip-ons is brilliant! There's a cottage industry for the seamstresses who have been making face masks. As punishment for my insensitivity, you may tell me that my evening shoes should have heels at least six inches high, and needle-thin. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheOldBear Posted January 2, 2021 #231 Share Posted January 2, 2021 1 hour ago, shipgeeks said: Re bowties: Although I do prefer the look of self-tie, I absolutely understand how hard they are to do. I tie DH's; I can't imagine having to do so on oneself, and one cannot necessarily assume that the cabin steward is capable. The idea of imperfect clip-ons is brilliant! There's a cottage industry for the seamstresses who have been making face masks. As punishment for my insensitivity, you may tell me that my evening shoes should have heels at least six inches high, and needle-thin. On our 2019 crossing, there was a passenger organized 'how to tie a bow tie' event in one of the tender lounges. I think most folks who attended and practiced got the hang of it, at least for the duration of the cruise. This would be an obvious class to Cunard to have every crossing - and the shops should have the ties available for sale onboard as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Windsurfboy Posted January 2, 2021 #232 Share Posted January 2, 2021 The imperfect clip on is a great idea . YouTube is a good reminder of how to tie a bow tie, expect we'll all need reminders of many things next year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoshikitty Posted January 2, 2021 #233 Share Posted January 2, 2021 (edited) I have asked our Maitre d‘ - Attila - if he would be so kind to tie me my bowtie the night before formal night and he did it perfectly - like everything that he does! Edited January 2, 2021 by Yoshikitty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac1953 Posted January 2, 2021 #234 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I really don't understand all the fuss about bow ties. If you can tie your shoe laces (just like my grandkids) then you can tie a bow tie. The secret is to close your eyes when you tie. Works every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Victoria2 Posted January 2, 2021 #235 Share Posted January 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, BigMac1953 said: I really don't understand all the fuss about bow ties. If you can tie your shoe laces (just like my grandkids) then you can tie a bow tie. The secret is to close your eyes when you tie. Works every time. But only if your fingers work. Cunard has many elderly passengers and counting the walking aids on some cruises, I would imagine they have more than just walking problems. Many elderly and not so elderly have fine motor control problems and that’s where ready tied come in. It’s only when you know people who do have problems that you gain an insight into many things which have never figured in life before and ready tied bow ties come into that bracket. With knowledge, comes insight and with insight, comes knowledge. I never judge and rarely pass comment as one never knows what hidden problems people have. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Underwatr Posted January 2, 2021 #236 Share Posted January 2, 2021 I have the most trouble tying a black formal bow tie. My Christmas bow tie is much easier to tie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmike911 Posted January 3, 2021 #237 Share Posted January 3, 2021 14 hours ago, Windsurfboy said: I must admit it took me a lot longer to learn to tie a bow tie than to use a knife and fork. Back to "Pea Gate" . Victoria2, brought up the very correct notion of the right way to use a fork, in a pleasant light hearted way in her reaction to the association of the term Riff Raff with not being a high level Cunard club member. I must take the responsibility for reacting to the suggestion the using a fork as a shovel is acceptable and creating "Pea Gate". People on this forum zealously argue against any minor infraction of their own version of the dress code. For the same people to advocate a lowering of table etiquette, is unbelievable. I must categorically state that when eating in what is one of the most elegant restaurants on the seas , seeing people shovel their food would be more offputting than seeing people in casual dress. In terms of standards, table manners trump dress code. Amen! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigmike911 Posted January 3, 2021 #238 Share Posted January 3, 2021 At 76, I am no longer have the digital dexterity of youth. But Tying a bow tie, is the same as tying your shoes. If you have tied a tie or a bow tie for years, it comes back to you. You might have to try a couple of times to get it right, but it is not that difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted January 3, 2021 #239 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Bigmike911 said: At 76, I am no longer have the digital dexterity of youth. But Tying a bow tie, is the same as tying your shoes. If you have tied a tie or a bow tie for years, it comes back to you. You might have to try a couple of times to get it right, but it is not that difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navybankerteacher Posted January 3, 2021 #240 Share Posted January 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said: The problem with bow ties is that they are close to eye level - so any sloppy, lumpy, unbalanced knot is sure to be picked up--- while shoe laces are further away and at a depressed angle --- so you can more easily slip by with slipshod knottery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austcruiser84 Posted January 3, 2021 #241 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) I have worn both clip on and self tie, although I always get the butler to do the tie and cufflinks on a formal night. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter whether a man is wearing a clip on or a self tie bow tie, what matters is he is dressed according to the code. I came across a self tie obsessed person onboard once. He was wearing this garish red bow tie which made him look rather clownish. He didn’t have a leg to stand on really. The best part was that he grumbled about having to go to early sitting and then said to me he supposed I’d be at the late sitting. I mentioned that I’d probably head to dinner around 7.30pm and it dawned on him that I wasn’t sailing in Britannia. I’m sure he must’ve thought I was unsuited to the Grills for wearing a clip on tie 😂 Edited January 3, 2021 by Austcruiser84 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Victoria2 Posted January 3, 2021 #242 Share Posted January 3, 2021 (edited) Sadly it IS that difficult for quite a few. Proud people don't advertise their problems. They certainly don't need help if they have a solution which will fit the occasion and in this case, pre tied tie is the answer. Alternative solutions go for many an everyday task. As far as dress codes are concerned, what is seemed as sloppy dress on a passenger to some might have been a herculean achievement in some shape or form for that person. It's not up to any of us to judge or to assume anything if only for the simple reason, we never know what's around the corner and it might be us next. 🙂 Edited January 3, 2021 by Victoria2 depersonalised the reply 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lissie Posted January 3, 2021 #243 Share Posted January 3, 2021 On 1/2/2021 at 10:36 PM, BigMac1953 said: Strange that you never see people wandering around looking for help to tie their shoe laces. Actually I've noticed my partner gradually has started to prefer slip ons. When he was ill there was times he couldn't tie his own and he was mortified Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac1953 Posted January 3, 2021 #244 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Ergo, everyone with a clip on bow tie suffers from a debilitating disease, all 1,200 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Victoria2 Posted January 3, 2021 #245 Share Posted January 3, 2021 6 minutes ago, BigMac1953 said: Ergo, everyone with a clip on bow tie suffers from a debilitating disease, all 1,200 of them. That comment is not worthy of you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Victoria2 Posted January 3, 2021 #246 Share Posted January 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, BigMac1953 said: Ergo, everyone with a clip on bow tie suffers from a debilitating disease, all 1,200 of them. I have never looked at a tie to discern if it's self tied or not, but then I don't look for what some judge as sartorial slip ups and if passengers are making a good attempt to comply with the dress code of the moment, it shouldn't bother the Beau Brummell's onboard either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMac1953 Posted January 3, 2021 #247 Share Posted January 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Victoria2 said: That comment is not worthy of you. I don't understand your comment. I am only questioning the logic which is clearly flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majortom10 Posted January 3, 2021 #248 Share Posted January 3, 2021 Just proves that "snobbery" is still alive and kicking on Cunard and those that look down on others as if they are better. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Victoria2 Posted January 3, 2021 #249 Share Posted January 3, 2021 52 minutes ago, BigMac1953 said: I don't understand your comment. I am only questioning the logic which is clearly flawed. Your extrapolation was out of sync with the line my comments were taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Victoria2 Posted January 3, 2021 #250 Share Posted January 3, 2021 9 minutes ago, majortom10 said: Just proves that "snobbery" is still alive and kicking on Cunard and those that look down on others as if they are better. I prefer to think it's a case of not seeing the whole picture rather than snobbery as I dislike that word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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