Escape listed last night 03/03/19

[NightOne]

23 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

So, the company line is 10* heel.  I would say that they tend to minimize these things, so maybe 15* at most.  While the vast majority of cruisers will feel that a 15* heel is sending the ship all the way over, it really isn't a big deal if you've gone to sea for a while.  I would suspect that the slot machine was never bolted to the deck as it was supposed to be, but no one noticed until now.

 

When I did the Behind the Fun tour last year on one of the Carnival ships I asked the Captain about listing and what it takes to roll over the ship. He said something like this:

 

With a 3-5 degree list dishes in the dining room will fly off the table and crash on the floor

 

With a 10-15 degree list he would be flying across the bridge

 

I might be a little off on those numbers a little bit but I am not off on this next one: I asked him how much list before the ship rolls over and he told me 48 degrees. 48 Degrees ... that was reassuring.

 

So my point being that while it may be very scary or severe looking/feeling it takes a LOT for it to jeopardize the ship. I hope all those impacted end up being OK. 🙂

[cruiseguy2424]

On 3/4/2019 at 10:07 AM, Bobbyh1265 said:

My Mom and step dad are aboard that ship, They were thrown across the room and mom has a crushed ankle and other injurys , step dad has a dislocated shoulder and cant move his arm..Several others was severly hurt. One person was even pinned under a slot machine. and another woman needed 30 something stitches in her head.. It was pretty bad..

 This person should be sued for salnder. Ncl get your lawyers after this.

[RedRover96]

Along with ABC!!!

[chengkp75]

16 minutes ago, NightOne said:

 

When I did the Behind the Fun tour last year on one of the Carnival ships I asked the Captain about listing and what it takes to roll over the ship. He said something like this:

 

With a 3-5 degree list dishes in the dining room will fly off the table and crash on the floor

 

With a 10-15 degree list he would be flying across the bridge

 

I might be a little off on those numbers a little bit but I am not off on this next one: I asked him how much list before the ship rolls over and he told me 48 degrees. 48 Degrees ... that was reassuring.

 

So my point being that while it may be very scary or severe looking/feeling it takes a LOT for it to jeopardize the ship. I hope all those impacted end up being OK. 🙂

It may actually be more than 48 degrees.  The further the ship rolls over, the greater the righting moment (the force the ship generates to roll back upright) becomes, and theoretically this is at 90*.  If you look at the listing images that were posted above, you will note that for that ship, at 45* you have what is known as "deck edge immersion", which means that the lowest outside deck is touching the water.  This is a danger point, but as long as there is no water ingress through doors and windows at this point, there will not be any "downflooding" which will change the ship's stability, and can result in a loss of stability and rolling over.  However, depending on the design of the ship (primarily the height of the lowest outer deck), that "deck edge immersion" may not happen until well after 45*.

[graphicguy]

1 hour ago, dexddd said:

See you are there already.  At least you'll have today and tomorrow there.  When we skipped GSC we got into Nassau at 6 p.m.  All the stuff pretty much closed by the port except bars.  Had a crazy local walking behind us offering a variety of things for sale.

 

P.S.  That is my yacht the other side of the Sky.

@dexddd......saw that.  Crew were looking for you....something about payroll checks!!!🤣

[sweet angel]

I'm glad to find this thread.  I've been reading all the sensationalized headlines and it's crazy what news outlets will do for a *story*.  Nice to see cooler heads prevailing here.  🙂

 

I was on Escape during the inaugural season and it was a very "creaky" ship -- there were noises we heard that week that I've never heard before or after.  Sounded like settling or coming apart -- obviously it wasn't!

 

Off to find the twitter stuff now!

[jcann4444]

38 minutes ago, graphicguy said:

@dexddd......saw that.  Crew were looking for you....something about payroll checks!!!🤣

Be sure to hit BaHa mar tonight as most of the gaming pits do not open until 12:00 at least tomorrow. I sense you are a CAS comped guest, call it a hunch. Great updates on the cruise. I will be in an AFT Balcony next week on the Escape. Any idea who the casino manager is? Also, just one Pai Gow table as usual on the Escape or is the second one open as well?

[dexddd]

1 hour ago, graphicguy said:

@dexddd......saw that.  Crew were looking for you....something about payroll checks!!!🤣

Heading to Atlantis tonight to try to take care of that.

[Snowrose]

Um, saw the video where a crew member was telling people to go to midships to be safe. That's all well and good - except if you go near the Atrium railings. You don't want to be anywhere near a railing if the ship is listing. Go midships and stay somewhere where you have actual walls, not a X story drop if you go over a railing or where something dropped over a railing could land on you.

 

And I say that having been through a hurricane while on a cruise.

[Cindy]

2 hours ago, sweet angel said:

I'm glad to find this thread.  I've been reading all the sensationalized headlines and it's crazy what news outlets will do for a *story*.  Nice to see cooler heads prevailing here.  🙂

 

I was on Escape during the inaugural season and it was a very "creaky" ship -- there were noises we heard that week that I've never heard before or after.  Sounded like settling or coming apart -- obviously it wasn't!

 

Off to find the twitter stuff now!

 

One video on Twitter cracked me up. Two guys are sitting at a bar. They turn around and watch the chairs slide across the floor, then they go back to their drinks!

[PTC DAWG]

9 minutes ago, Cindy said:

 

One video on Twitter cracked me up. Two guys are sitting at a bar. They turn around and watch the chairs slide across the floor, then they go back to their drinks!

Yep, I think that would be my take...

[mkcurran]

30 minutes ago, Cindy said:

 

One video on Twitter cracked me up. Two guys are sitting at a bar. They turn around and watch the chairs slide across the floor, then they go back to their drinks!

Yeah, I'd be sitting and drinking at that bar until the ship was back to upright, or at least felt like it. 😉

[April42749]

3 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

It may actually be more than 48 degrees.  The further the ship rolls over, the greater the righting moment (the force the ship generates to roll back upright) becomes, and theoretically this is at 90*.  If you look at the listing images that were posted above, you will note that for that ship, at 45* you have what is known as "deck edge immersion", which means that the lowest outside deck is touching the water.  This is a danger point, but as long as there is no water ingress through doors and windows at this point, there will not be any "downflooding" which will change the ship's stability, and can result in a loss of stability and rolling over.  However, depending on the design of the ship (primarily the height of the lowest outer deck), that "deck edge immersion" may not happen until well after 45*.

We were on the Escape in Oct.  They had a "meet the engineer" talk in the theatre.  He said it could list up to 65 degrees without tipping.

He also said that the rocking one feels in bad weather is generally about 2 degrees.

[Boatdrill]

On 3/5/2019 at 3:15 PM, friend of Eeyore said:

 

 

Well, if you can call a junior pilot turning off the autopilot and oversteering (instead of correcting) a "malfunction", I guess that's right. I'd call it human error myself. I was on the Crown during the incident also.

 

 

Confused....so you were on an airplane  ?   

[friend of Eeyore]

1 hour ago, Boatdrill said:

Confused....so you were on an airplane  ?   

Already corrected above. SO SORRY I made a mistake. I meant to say junior officer. Seriously? At least you could just think I was thinking that the port pilot was still on board (he wasn't). Can't anyone take a mistake at face value and move on? I miss the old days when you couldn't fix mistakes days later (don't know if you can now, and seriously not going to check now).

[CruisingNole]

We had the Epic Fail booked for the T/A next month and cancelled. I'm not sure I've ever read so many negative reviews about a ship built in the last decade or so.  Add on the engine troubles, fires, etc etc, no wonder the cruise was dirt cheap. Who would want to sail on that POS?

[Njkrewzer]

16 minutes ago, CruisingNole said:

We had the Epic Fail booked for the T/A next month and cancelled. I'm not sure I've ever read so many negative reviews about a ship built in the last decade or so.  Add on the engine troubles, fires, etc etc, no wonder the cruise was dirt cheap. Who would want to sail on that POS?

I've sailed on the Epic twice. While I'll admit it's a weird ship as far as looks and some of the layout, I don't really have a problem with it either. I don't know why people hate it with such a passion. I stayed in a balcony room the first time, and in the DOS the second time, and I found both experiences to be on par with any other cruise I've been on. 

[graphicguy]

View from outside the ship.  No damage that I can see....

 

[graphicguy]

I guess there’s a “report circulating stating the CD and Captain sounded scared when they reported the wind incident.

 

Nothing could be further from the truth. Both were calm and confident (ehich is what you need in such a case).  They both announced the same thing as at first no one knew what was actually happening.  They both calmly reported the same thing....the ship was hit by a violent wind and the ship did not suffer ant damage.  

 

No fear, no hysteria, just calm confidence with each announcement (there were several).

 

If I ever have to sail through a big storm again, this is the crew I want.

 

[graphicguy]

Someone asked about CAS.  I am not sailing as a CAS guest.  I like nice cabins on nice ships.  And, I make it an obsession to find them.  The cabin I’m in now is a forward large balcony mini-suite.  Got it for a price less than a regular balcony cabin.  It took me a month to find it, though.

 

After combing MSC, RCCL, NCL and Celebrity, and then looking at prices between different ships, I found this one.  No regrets!

[Mustangdrew]

On 3/5/2019 at 3:28 PM, www3traveler said:

Just heard from my family.  They slept through it and did not know anything until they went to breakfast. 

How the hell do you sleep through that?

[shof515]

6 minutes ago, Mustangdrew said:

How the hell do you sleep through that?

 

if you have a mid ship cabin on the lower deck like deck 5..it might be possible to not even feel the tilt

[www3traveler]

graphicguy:  Thank you for taking the time to post your adventure.

 

I have family on board-- three are first time cruisers and they are having a great time.

 

I have said for long time that Captain Niklas is one of the best Captains .  I would sail with him anytime.  Have not sailed with Alvin since he became a Cruise Director.  Nice to know how well he did in a tough situation.

 

I hope the rest of your cruise is great.

 

Thank you again for your comments.

 

Mandy

[ColinIllinois]

7 minutes ago, Mustangdrew said:

How the hell do you sleep through that?

 

UBP!     🙂

[RedRover96]

Just like the guy who sat at the bar in the video