clo Posted April 10, 2020 #26 Share Posted April 10, 2020 20 minutes ago, Paulchili said: strict enforceable order punishable by fines? We're geting into that on land. I've read that Mayor Garcetti in LA is mandating masks with the proviso that stores don't admit non-compliers But I don't know if there's 'punishment.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger b Posted April 10, 2020 #27 Share Posted April 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Paulchili said: Is this more of a suggestion (like shelter in place) or a strict enforceable order punishable by fines? Is it 100 days from today? I can't see that there will be any cruise ships in the Med until September or October, and Oceania will not bring Riviera and Marina to Europe this year . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted April 10, 2020 #28 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, roger b said: I can't see that there will be any cruise ships in the Med until September or October, and Oceania will not bring Riviera and Marina to Europe this year . If even by then if there is a second wave. We have cruises in the Fall but in absence of a vaccine I don't think we'll travel this year. The 1918 flu had the deadliest phase during the second wave out of three total. If we or any other country goes back to "normal" too soon or without a good plan we know what will follow. Edited April 10, 2020 by Paulchili 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisingaussies Posted April 10, 2020 #29 Share Posted April 10, 2020 4 hours ago, LHT28 said: Try & find a mask here in Canada ..unless you are a frontline worker there are none to be had Cannot even find any hand gel to buy Same here! Still no flour or toilet paper in the supermarkets either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger b Posted April 10, 2020 #30 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 hours ago, LHT28 said: Try & find a mask here in Canada ..unless you are a frontline worker there are none to be had Cannot even find any hand gel to buy Have you tried a builder's merchant ?? that's where I found mine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger88 Posted April 10, 2020 #31 Share Posted April 10, 2020 7 minutes ago, cruisingaussies said: Same here! Still no flour or toilet paper in the supermarkets either. Are you speaking of Australia at the moment? In Sydney I heard everything is alright. The local markets got all the needed products. There were huge fires in Australia just not that long ago, I expect that they also could have some sort of effect on logistics. In any case, I am surprised that in our western world we have to deal with lack of toilet paper.. its disgracefull really.. very dissapointing. We send ships into space and cant find toilet paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisingaussies Posted April 10, 2020 #32 Share Posted April 10, 2020 41 minutes ago, Roger88 said: Are you speaking of Australia at the moment? In Sydney I heard everything is alright. The local markets got all the needed products. There were huge fires in Australia just not that long ago, I expect that they also could have some sort of effect on logistics. In any case, I am surprised that in our western world we have to deal with lack of toilet paper.. its disgracefull really.. very dissapointing. We send ships into space and cant find toilet paper. Yes, Australia. Haven’t seen any toilet paper, flour, pasta, antiseptic wipes or cleaning products for a couple of weeks. I don’t think the fires had anything to do with it as we recovered from that disaster a while ago (thankfully). It’s just the idiots stock piling but why you want a house full of toilet paper I really don’t know. Had a message from one of our major supermarkets saying the demand for toilet paper is up 45% from this time last year. Good grief I never thought I’d be posting on this subject! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay23 Posted April 10, 2020 #33 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) Just a word of comfort, so to speak. There is light at the end of the tunnel. We in the UK had the lack of toilet paper on supermarket shelves for 4 - 5 weeks and now it looks like the idiotic hoarders have enough. There was never a shortage, just selfish shoppers. We saw lots of pictures of shoppers with trolleys full of paper goods and cleaning fluids and no food 🤷♂️🤷♀️ We now have a problem with lemon juice!! ( I have it in my tea but I can manage without) Some one posted somewhere that lemon juice protected against/cured the C 19 virus. Nuf said. Keep safe everyone. Edited April 10, 2020 by Jay23 Spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisingaussies Posted April 10, 2020 #34 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay23 said: Just a word of comfort, so to speak. There is light at the end of the tunnel. We in the UK had the lack of toilet paper on supermarket shelves for 4 - 5 weeks and now it looks like the idiotic hoarders have enough. There was never a shortage, just selfish shoppers. We saw lots of pictures of shoppers with trolleys full of paper goods and cleaning fluids and no food 🤷♂️🤷♀️ We now have a problem with lemon juice!! ( I have it in my tea but I can manage without) Some one posted somewhere that lemon juice protected against/cured the C 19 virus. Nuf said. Keep safe everyone. Unbelievable! Haven’t heard this one but I hope the miracle lemon juice cure doesn’t go viral! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallydave Posted April 10, 2020 #35 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Paulchili said: Is this more of a suggestion (like shelter in place) or a strict enforceable order punishable by fines? Is it 100 days from today? Not a suggestion Paul. They have the authority to make this as the Gov controls the US waterways. It is a no sail ORDER and requires the cruise lines to revise their plans withing 7 days as they have the authority to do this. Not 100 days from today, it is 100 days from the publishing of this order in the Federal Register. There are two other reasons spelled out in the first paragraph that can end the order. Suggest reading it as lots there and extremely comprehensive. Not fines, the ships will be stopped and not allowed in US waters. Very restrictive. Edited April 10, 2020 by rallydave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgee Posted April 10, 2020 #36 Share Posted April 10, 2020 9 hours ago, Paulchili said: Is this more of a suggestion (like shelter in place) or a strict enforceable order punishable by fines? Is it 100 days from today? Check out the link I posted above. The issuance is pretty clear and it is a "no sail order." It says it is for 100 days from April 9 but could be lifted, but criteria for lifting it lists some pretty unlikely criteria..like declaration that Covid19 is no longer a national emergency. Quote: "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced today the extension of a No Sail Order for all cruise ships." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rallydave Posted April 10, 2020 #37 Share Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, edgee said: Check out the link I posted above. The issuance is pretty clear and it is a "no sail order." It says it is for 100 days from April 9 but could be lifted, but criteria for lifting it lists some pretty unlikely criteria..like declaration that Covid19 is no longer a national emergency. Quote: "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) announced today the extension of a No Sail Order for all cruise ships." To be precise it is 100 days from publishing in the Federal Register, NOT any specific date and with the Holiday today doubt it will be before Monday April 13. This is clearly spelled out in the first paragraph on page 1 and again in the second to last paragraph on page 9 Edited April 10, 2020 by rallydave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted April 10, 2020 #38 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 hours ago, cruisingaussies said: Same here! Still no flour or toilet paper in the supermarkets either. we now have TP 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted April 10, 2020 #39 Share Posted April 10, 2020 6 hours ago, roger b said: Have you tried a builder's merchant ?? that's where I found mine they were snatched long ago now they are closed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted April 10, 2020 #40 Share Posted April 10, 2020 5 hours ago, cruisingaussies said: Yes, Australia. Haven’t seen any toilet paper, flour, pasta, antiseptic wipes or cleaning products for a couple of weeks. I don’t think the fires had anything to do with it as we recovered from that disaster a while ago (thankfully). It’s just the idiots stock piling but why you want a house full of toilet paper I really don’t know. Had a message from one of our major supermarkets saying the demand for toilet paper is up 45% from this time last year. Good grief I never thought I’d be posting on this subject! yup same here some "hoarders" tried to resell on Amazon until they were shut down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ORV Posted April 10, 2020 #41 Share Posted April 10, 2020 14 hours ago, clo said: Or Costco. MAYBE 20% of customers had on masks and when questioned they got pretty nasty. So I emailed Reno's mayor and will also write the governor. LA has made them mandatory and businesses don't have to let them in the door. You're a wonder. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ORV Posted April 10, 2020 #42 Share Posted April 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, LHT28 said: we now have TP 😁 So I have this theory on TP. While people are working, shopping, eating out, etc. they are using the facilities away from home. Supplies for most of these places would come through commercial suppliers. Now that a large number of people are at home there is a much larger demand on the local stores we use. Yes, we have an overabundance of hoarders out there, but there are other issues at play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rrehfe4969@aol.com Posted April 10, 2020 #43 Share Posted April 10, 2020 CDC just closed United States to cruises until mid July Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pingpong1 Posted April 10, 2020 #44 Share Posted April 10, 2020 7 hours ago, roger b said: I can't see that there will be any cruise ships in the Med until September or October, and Oceania will not bring Riviera and Marina to Europe this year . Hi Roger - I'm not doubting your observations at all, as I have no alternative data to refute your statement. But I was just wondering if you were merely expressing an educated opinion, or whether you actually have some "concrete" basis for that assertion (i.e., "Oceania will not bring Riviera and Marina to Europe this year.")? The reason for my keen interest is that a group of 4 of us are booked on Riviera's TA from Rome to Miami on Oct 28, and we're now in the throes of deciding whether to cancel now, in April - and get all of our deposit back, before we enter the "admin fee" or "penalty phase" at the end of April/May, respectively. Any additional info would be appreciated. Obviously, Oceania is going to be loath to "show any of us their cards", while still 6 months away from sailing. Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted April 10, 2020 #45 Share Posted April 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, ORV said: Now that a large number of people are at home there is a much larger demand on the local stores we use. Yes, we have an overabundance of hoarders out there, but there are other issues at play here. Well when you see people with shopping carts full of TP at the check out not sure if they had been eating out all the time & discovered they needed TP at home or just stock piling LOL DH saw one guy clear the shelf of the tins of coffee ..he was either hibernating for the long haul or going to resell it later LOL like this https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51909045 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted April 10, 2020 #46 Share Posted April 10, 2020 16 minutes ago, ORV said: So I have this theory on TP. While people are working, shopping, eating out, etc. they are using the facilities away from home. Supplies for most of these places would come through commercial suppliers. Now that a large number of people are at home there is a much larger demand on the local stores we use. Yes, we have an overabundance of hoarders out there, but there are other issues at play here. Waste Management is having the same problem here with garbage. We're sure learning a lot, aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo Posted April 10, 2020 #47 Share Posted April 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rrehfe4969@aol.com said: CDC just closed United States to cruises until mid July https://thehill.com/policy/transportation/492140-the-centers-for-disease-control-cd-extended-their-no-sail-order-for-all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roger b Posted April 10, 2020 #48 Share Posted April 10, 2020 19 minutes ago, pingpong1 said: Hi Roger - I'm not doubting your observations at all, as I have no alternative data to refute your statement. But I was just wondering if you were merely expressing an educated opinion, or whether you actually have some "concrete" basis for that assertion (i.e., "Oceania will not bring Riviera and Marina to Europe this year.")? The reason for my keen interest is that a group of 4 of us are booked on Riviera's TA from Rome to Miami on Oct 28, and we're now in the throes of deciding whether to cancel now, in April - and get all of our deposit back, before we enter the "admin fee" or "penalty phase" at the end of April/May, respectively. Any additional info would be appreciated. Obviously, Oceania is going to be loath to "show any of us their cards", while still 6 months away from sailing. Regards. Hi, With both Riviera and Marina anchored in U.S waters the season in Europe will be half over by the time the CDC will allow cruise ships to start up again , which would mean Oceania sending two ships to start their seasons cruising in August . Living in Majorca I do not see airlines getting going before August /September and the British government are hinting that that things will not be lifted until October. This would leave 3 /4 months left before their return to American waters , I thought logical that is what might happen , My take is that Oceania will keep both ships in US waters and start by doing short cruises from U.S ports . This just my view lets hope I am Wrong, I would like to hear others opinion on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
susiesan Posted April 10, 2020 Author #49 Share Posted April 10, 2020 11 hours ago, Paulchili said: Is this more of a suggestion (like shelter in place) or a strict enforceable order punishable by fines? Is it 100 days from today? Looks like 100 days from March 14, the date of the original order. Note that this only applied to US ports and would have no bearing on European or Asian ports. Or third, 100 days from the date of publication in the Federal Register. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paulchili Posted April 10, 2020 #50 Share Posted April 10, 2020 Just received an email from our TA that O paused all cruises till May 14th - a curious date only 4 days later than current May 10. Fortunately for us, it includes our May 13th cruise which is now officially cancelled. 😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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