Nic6318 Posted May 24, 2020 #76 Share Posted May 24, 2020 16 hours ago, Saint Greg said: And it depends on where you're from. My county had 346 total covid cases. 24 deaths. Hi Yes, but when you just state numbers like that, it's obviously just relative. For instance, take the numbers you mention... is that good? The town I live near hasn't had any cases, even in the seniors residences and there are two in town. Granted, it's a small community, but it says one main thing. If someone in town were to get the virus now, it would have to come from someone outside the community. At this time there are only a few ways to try and prevent this. Social distancing and wearing a mask, oh yes, don't forget to wash your hands before you stick your fingers in your mouth. So, should we outlaw strangers from town? I don't think so. However, if people are asked to give more room or to wear a mask. Please show some respect. It's not a challenge of peoples' freedoms, it's just asking for some help, while trying to find a safe path to our future. Nobody (really, nobody) has the answers yet, but there are many smart people working on them. Don't let the flotsam confuse you. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNcruising02 Posted May 24, 2020 #77 Share Posted May 24, 2020 14 hours ago, Saint Greg said: I have my doubts about them getting my cruise down to 50% through cancellations but I won’t complain if they do. I have a cruise in September and would love it if it sailed at 50%, although I would hate it for the company. If Carnival allowed people who have cruises in August and September to move their booking, including OBC, to a later time, I'll bet a lot of people would do it. That could clear out a ship to 50%. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFan33579 Posted May 24, 2020 #78 Share Posted May 24, 2020 14 hours ago, Saint Greg said: I have my doubts about them getting my cruise down to 50% through cancellations but I won’t complain if they do. Cruising at a reduced capacity appears to be a logical solution to resume cruising sooner than later. Like you mentioned, the challenge could be how do they get to 50% or whatever reduced capacity level is deemed to be safe. I haven’t given this much thought, but going by the date you booked the cruise seems to be the fairest way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Saint Greg Posted May 24, 2020 #79 Share Posted May 24, 2020 53 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said: Cruising at a reduced capacity appears to be a logical solution to resume cruising sooner than later. Like you mentioned, the challenge could be how do they get to 50% or whatever reduced capacity level is deemed to be safe. I haven’t given this much thought, but going by the date you booked the cruise seems to be the fairest way to go. Well I booked mine over a year ago so that would bode well for me. It’s an Aruba cruise so as long as it stays an Aruba Cruise I’d be surprised if too many people canceled. If it ceases to be an Aruba cruise I may just rather go out of Galveston where I can drive and be on a newer ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joebucks Posted May 24, 2020 #80 Share Posted May 24, 2020 23 hours ago, Saint Greg said: Reducing capacity of the ship doesn't do much if they don't reduce capacity in the public areas. If they really did it i would expect every other seat in the theater to be empty. Every other seat in the comedy club as well. Every other bar seat. Every other table in the MDR and buffet. So as you cut the people in half you would also cut the seating in half. You poke holes all day in most of the COVID-19 protections out there. At the end of the day, defining retail entrances/exits, limiting the amount of people in an establishment, cloth masks, etc don't stop a virus. You can "limit," but you don't stop it. It's the same deal with limiting ship capacity. You can't stop a virus. But hey, here's our optics of how we limited it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HectorAchilleus Posted May 24, 2020 #81 Share Posted May 24, 2020 On 5/23/2020 at 2:00 PM, Thorncroft said: That's easy. Close every other elevator and don't allow more than one elevator per floor at a time. 😂 Or make the elevators only available for people with bonafide handicap parking registration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Saint Greg Posted May 24, 2020 #82 Share Posted May 24, 2020 10 minutes ago, HectorAchilleus said: Or make the elevators only available for people with bonafide handicap parking registration. Yeah right. Watch all the medical issues with people trying to get from deck 0 to deck 10. I work on the second floor of a building with about 100 people and I would bet at least 90 of the 100 use the elevator. They will walk to the other side of the building to get to the elevator before taking one flight of stairs. Going downstairs as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ninjacat123 Posted May 24, 2020 #83 Share Posted May 24, 2020 My DH and I can climb the stairs (and we usually do on cruises) but my 82 year old mom has been dealing with issues but not enough to get handicap parking. If I need to wait in line to ride the elevator with my mom, so be it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc_load_letter Posted May 24, 2020 #84 Share Posted May 24, 2020 This is pie in the sky thinking. We're cruising Carnival in October and no one has reached out to us to ask us to cancel or rebook our cruise in order to facilitate half full cruising. The cruise is full. As far as I know, no one else on these boards have been asked to rebook their upcoming cruise to accomodate 50% cruising. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Saint Greg Posted May 24, 2020 #85 Share Posted May 24, 2020 7 minutes ago, pc_load_letter said: This is pie in the sky thinking. We're cruising Carnival in October and no one has reached out to us to ask us to cancel or rebook our cruise in order to facilitate half full cruising. The cruise is full. As far as I know, no one else on these boards have been asked to rebook their upcoming cruise to accomodate 50% cruising. I don't think they'd do it this far out if they're expecting cancellations. Do you know for sure it's full and they didn't just cut it off for inventory control? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc_load_letter Posted May 24, 2020 #86 Share Posted May 24, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Saint Greg said: I don't think they'd do it this far out if they're expecting cancellations. Do you know for sure it's full and they didn't just cut it off for inventory control? You're correct, almost full. Wife has been watching the rooms for several months now. A few rooms at each level and they are still selling them. Edited May 24, 2020 by pc_load_letter 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic6318 Posted May 24, 2020 #87 Share Posted May 24, 2020 20 minutes ago, pc_load_letter said: This is pie in the sky thinking. We're cruising Carnival in October and no one has reached out to us to ask us to cancel or rebook our cruise in order to facilitate half full cruising. The cruise is full. As far as I know, no one else on these boards have been asked to rebook their upcoming cruise to accomodate 50% cruising. Hi You could see how the cruise lines are basically going to do anything that is required of them, by law or whatever other governing body they are going to respect. With that being said, they at this time would look on the situation as being fluid. Good or bad for the industry, it won't be because the companies involved would not do things in regards to health and safety that were not instructions. In regards to your concern, I would think that since the cruise lines see the unfolding of events possibly changing each day. Why would they allow you to cancel at this time, as others noted, you may cancel yourself. They could be hoping (since everybody is hoping) that early sailings went off without issue and rules could be relaxed some more. The very worse for the cruise line, of course, would be if things didn't go off well, and in fact your cruise ended up being cancelled. In that event, they would be in possession of your money. Either way, they have no motivation to ask you to rebook. Perhaps, try to get a PVP. Talk to the person a bit over a some of time, and ask if they could help you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pc_load_letter Posted May 24, 2020 #88 Share Posted May 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Nic6318 said: Hi You could see how the cruise lines are basically going to do anything that is required of them, by law or whatever other governing body they are going to respect. With that being said, they at this time would look on the situation as being fluid. Good or bad for the industry, it won't be because the companies involved would not do things in regards to health and safety that were not instructions. In regards to your concern, I would think that since the cruise lines see the unfolding of events possibly changing each day. Why would they allow you to cancel at this time, as others noted, you may cancel yourself. They could be hoping (since everybody is hoping) that early sailings went off without issue and rules could be relaxed some more. The very worse for the cruise line, of course, would be if things didn't go off well, and in fact your cruise ended up being cancelled. In that event, they would be in possession of your money. Either way, they have no motivation to ask you to rebook. Perhaps, try to get a PVP. Talk to the person a bit over a some of time, and ask if they could help you. Oh no, don;t get me wrong...we are cruising in October. Hell, I would cruise now if I could. Sadly Los Angeles crusies are not beginning until September. No refund wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ninjacat123 Posted May 24, 2020 #89 Share Posted May 24, 2020 1 hour ago, pc_load_letter said: You're correct, almost full. Wife has been watching the rooms for several months now. A few rooms at each level and they are still selling them. I wonder what the website is actually showing...I've heard reports of PVP's seeing more rooms available when on the website it isn't apparent. Just a thought.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BlerkOne Posted May 24, 2020 #90 Share Posted May 24, 2020 4 minutes ago, ninjacat123 said: I wonder what the website is actually showing...I've heard reports of PVP's seeing more rooms available when on the website it isn't apparent. Just a thought.... Carnival can almost always see more. Carnival can play games with what appears to outsiders to try to influence sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ninjacat123 Posted May 24, 2020 #91 Share Posted May 24, 2020 2 minutes ago, BlerkOne said: Carnival can almost always see more. Carnival can play games with what appears to outsiders to try to influence sales. If that's the case, maybe the cruises that need to be at a reduced passenger count already are. Hmmmm.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markmom18 Posted May 25, 2020 #92 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) Hi, My late March 2020 cruise was cancelled, so I rebooked for October. In September I had a flight To Idaho to visit my elderly parents. Yesterday I moved my September Idaho trip to October. Then moved my Galveston Freedom Cruise to September. Flipping the 2 trips, trying to do both. 🤔🤔 Yeah.. 😟. If this upcoming Cruise gets cancelled BY CARNIVAL —-which would be the 2nd COVID-19 Cruise of mine getting axed by THE Company —- do I get an additional $600?? 😲 Anybody with first hand experience, no guessing, with info on my question, care to share your experience? Thanks, 🛳🛳 Bobbi Edited May 25, 2020 by Markmom18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markmom18 Posted May 25, 2020 #93 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) I also wanted to mention that the rep said there were no more Empress or Verandah Deck Balcony Cabins. There was 1 Extended Aft Balcony listed and I took it. Sept 13th Freedom, out of Galveston. Update: I just went to Carnival site. They have 3 Empress Balcony’s In the Aft, just like what I wanted. Maybe people cancelled .... In case anyone was looking. IDK if they are limiting to 50% capacity. But, they just sold it to me yesterday, and offering more today ... Upper Aft Balcony as well ... Edited May 25, 2020 by Markmom18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic6318 Posted May 25, 2020 #94 Share Posted May 25, 2020 12 hours ago, pc_load_letter said: Oh no, don;t get me wrong...we are cruising in October. Hell, I would cruise now if I could. Sadly Los Angeles crusies are not beginning until September. No refund wanted. Hi Yes that is all well and good, but you do have to at least acknowledge that there were cruises scheduled to sail in May, June, and July. The people who booked those would have been happy to sail as well. While you may very well be correct that Los Angeles cruises will begin in September, you don't have a crystal ball, just as I don't. These are scheduled, just like the ones that were scheduled for May, June, and July. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipbound2 Posted May 25, 2020 #95 Share Posted May 25, 2020 (edited) All businesses want to make money. If CCL ships sail with half capacity is like a restaurant opening with half capacity , how would they make any money to cover costs for the ships just sailing or the restaurant just operating and make a profit. Edited May 25, 2020 by shipbound2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lobster1313 Posted May 25, 2020 #96 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, shipbound2 said: All businesses want to make money. If CCL ships sail with half capacity is like a restaurant opening with half capacity , how would they make any money to cover costs for the ships just sailing or the restaurant just operating and make a profit. Not the best comparison since most restaurants make their profits from alcohol sales. The newer ships can make money with lower guest capacities so combining that with a smaller crew allows them to break even or make a small profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillyFan33579 Posted May 25, 2020 #97 Share Posted May 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, regoodwinjr said: Not the best comparison since most restaurants make their profits from alcohol sales. The newer ships can make money with lower guest capacities so combining that with a smaller crew allows them to break even or make a small profit. From talking to countless Carnival officers over the years, most of their profits come from sales on the ship to include alcohol, shops, bingo, casino, spa, speciality restaurants, excursions, etc. i would assume this will still be true if ships sail at reduced capacity initially. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted May 25, 2020 #98 Share Posted May 25, 2020 15 hours ago, pc_load_letter said: You're correct, almost full. Wife has been watching the rooms for several months now. A few rooms at each level and they are still selling them. What you see is not what is available (either plus or minus). Even on the TA booking engine (which shows more) we cannot see all the cabins available. The point is, you do not know how many open cabins there are by looking online. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare jimbo5544 Posted May 25, 2020 #99 Share Posted May 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, PhillyFan33579 said: From talking to countless Carnival officers over the years, most of their profits come from sales on the ship to include alcohol, shops, bingo, casino, spa, speciality restaurants, excursions, etc. i would assume this will still be true if ships sail at reduced capacity initially. True, cruise fares are fairly low on the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckiestmanonearth Posted May 25, 2020 #100 Share Posted May 25, 2020 1 hour ago, shipbound2 said: All businesses want to make money. If CCL ships sail with half capacity is like a restaurant opening with half capacity , how would they make any money to cover costs for the ships just sailing or the restaurant just operating and make a profit. And how would that business make money if half its customer base gets ill and never returns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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