Can’t they just dock the ships at port and have people pay day passes?

[sverigecruiser]

8 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

 

Florida’s main industry is tourism. There are also the theme parks, Disney World and Universal which have a big variety of restaurants and activities. It is an impressive state.


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Often places with many tourists have many low quality restaurants because the tourists have to eat even if the food and service isn't good but  Florida may be different.

 

For me it's very easy if I should choose between a day in a theme park or a day on a  cruiseship. I should defenitely choose the cruiseship.

[sverigecruiser]

19 minutes ago, K32682 said:

 

This is an good example which proves why I'd rather be in a hotel if an outbreak occurred

 

The hotels guests were locked down on February 24

 

https://www.eturbonews.com/544198/covid-2019-locks-down-h10-costa-adeje-palace-hotel-in-tenerife/

 

Guests who tested negative were allowed to begin leaving 3 days later.  Most guests were allowed to leave before two weeks had expired. 

 

https://www.thestar.com/news/world/europe/2020/02/28/first-virus-free-guests-abandon-blocked-spanish-island-hotel.html

 

On March 10 the remaining 200 were released.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/10/hundreds-holidaymakers-cheer-leave-tenerife-quarantine-hotel-12377778/

 

 

 

No one was allowed off the Diamond Princess unless they had to go to hospital. 

 

 

 

 

 

What I said was that people have been banned from leaving hotels because of Covid-19 and that is correct.

 

I don't think that we can compare what happend on the Diamond Princess with what may happen if people should be allowed to visit a cruiseship over the day.

[capriccio]

31 minutes ago, sverigecruiser said:

For me it's very easy if I should choose between a day in a theme park or a day on a  cruiseship. I should defenitely choose the cruiseship.

 

That wasn't the question but I agree wholeheartedly with you assuming corona virus was no longer an issue!  On the other hand I know people my age (old!) who are annual ticket holders to Disney World and wouldn't be enticed to spend a day on a cruise ship under any circumstances.  😁

[slidergirl]

It would have been an interesting concept, if legal and allowed.  I could imagine parents, tired of dealing with their kids and kids tired of dealing with parents, buying a day pass to a Carnival or Royal Caribbean ship at a local port.  Let the kids run wild, parents can lounge and drink themselves silly.   I have my ideas based on Port Canaveral.  Dock one of each in port while the others are hanging out offshore ( as they do now).  Rotate them in and out so a very thorough sanitization could be done.   

 

I know some families on the Space Coast who would like this!!  

[cruizergal70]

1 minute ago, slidergirl said:

It would have been an interesting concept, if legal and allowed.  I could imagine parents, tired of dealing with their kids and kids tired of dealing with parents, buying a day pass to a Carnival or Royal Caribbean ship at a local port.  Let the kids run wild, parents can lounge and drink themselves silly.   I have my ideas based on Port Canaveral.  Dock one of each in port while the others are hanging out offshore ( as they do now).  Rotate them in and out so a very thorough sanitization could be done.   

 

I know some families on the Space Coast who would like this!!  

Kids run wild where? They would be restricted to the normal kid club offerings and activities.  

 

If parents want to lounge without kids, it would be easier to hire a sitter or have a cousin take the kids out.

[Aquahound]

3 hours ago, Charles4515 said:

 

The casinos would not be able to open.
 

 

 

In their defense, we're talking about a dream World in which cruise ship day passes would be legal.  So why not dream the casinos would be legal also? 😉

[Charles4515]

 
Often places with many tourists have many low quality restaurants because the tourists have to eat even if the food and service isn't good but  Florida may be different.
 

There is a range of restaurants in Florida from low quality to mid quality to high quality. Tourists in Florida have a choice. They don’t have to eat in a low quality restaurant. There are plenty of restaurants in every category. We use Yelp for guidance when traveling in Florida. On a cruise ship there is a range of quality too. Often meh.


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[rkacruiser]

6 hours ago, sanger727 said:

if they managed to find a way to dock a cruise ship in Cincinnati I would certainly consider doing that for a day.

 

😀 Since I live about 50 miles North, I would too!  (If Cincinnati would get a ship, maybe my "dream" of a ship docked in downtown Dayton might be a possibility 😲!  )  LOL!

[sverigecruiser]

1 hour ago, capriccio said:

 

That wasn't the question but I agree wholeheartedly with you assuming corona virus was no longer an issue!  On the other hand I know people my age (old!) who are annual ticket holders to Disney World and wouldn't be enticed to spend a day on a cruise ship under any circumstances.  😁

 

It's a good thing that people are different. This is a cruiseforum so I don't feel that it should be controversial at all to admit here that I prefer to be on a cruiseship! 

[sverigecruiser]

18 minutes ago, Charles4515 said:

On a cruise ship there is a range of quality too. Often meh.

 

 

 

If I agreed with that I should probably not cruise!

 

Very few meals I have eaten on shore have been better than most meals I have eaten on a cruise.

[sverigecruiser]

 

What is the biggest legal problem with the OPs suggestion?

 

Is it that the ship never leave the dock?

 

People have done short visits over the day lots of times without a problem. Often travelagents but I have been on a ship visit a few years ägo and I'm sure that many more on this forum has done it too.

 

Does the authorities care if people board for a couple of hours on a guided tour or if they board and are able to stay the whole day and use the facilities?

[Aquahound]

13 minutes ago, sverigecruiser said:

 

What is the biggest legal problem with the OPs suggestion?

 

Is it that the ship never leave the dock?

 

People have done short visits over the day lots of times without a problem. Often travelagents but I have been on a ship visit a few years ägo and I'm sure that many more on this forum has done it too.

 

Does the authorities care if people board for a couple of hours on a guided tour or if they board and are able to stay the whole day and use the facilities?

 

Those day visits you speak of are most often either a tour group, or some sort of benefit being hosted by the ship for a specific group.  Other examples might include a wedding party where a limited number of guests who aren't sailing are allowed to attend for folks who actually are sailing. Either way, they are not the base function of the ship and passengers.   

 

As I mentioned earlier, the crew are working on a limited Visa that only allows for temporary visits via ship.  If the ship docks and turns primarily into a day-pass resort, the crew are no longer legal.  The ship would need to file for state and local occupational licenses, apply for and receive state liquor licenses, pay state and federal income taxes to the crew, abide by US labor and minimum wage laws.....that list goes on and on and on.  Cruise ships, under their current flags and constructs, cannot operate in this capacity in the US.  Did I mention cruise ship ports in the US are federal regulated, limited access facilities?  

 

No matter how much you question it, the fact remains they cannot.  

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[Roger88]

18 minutes ago, sverigecruiser said:

 

If I agreed with that I should probably not cruise!

 

Very few meals I have eaten on shore have been better than most meals I have eaten on a cruise.

This is the thing. The places to eat on board have to be better in order to keep people on board and feed them and charge them money. No ones want you to leave the ship for some other place to eat and leave your money. I most of the time like the food on board. Only once I remembered I couldn't eat anything beside breakfast, but it was a long time ago and I was sick 

[slidergirl]

1 hour ago, cruizergal70 said:

Kids run wild where? They would be restricted to the normal kid club offerings and activities.  

 

If parents want to lounge without kids, it would be easier to hire a sitter or have a cousin take the kids out.

Have you not seen, at least in commercials, all the activities the big ships of Carnival and Royal Caribbean have?  Surfing, water slides, race cars, ball courts, mini golf, etc.  Not talking about HAL, Celebrity.   If the family goes to a water park, the kids run wild and the parents get their lounge chairs and relax.  It wouldn't be any different.  Remember - I was talking about a ship that is docked and people have a day pass, not an actual cruise.  

[sverigecruiser]

11 minutes ago, Aquahound said:

 

Those day visits you speak of are most often either a tour group, or some sort of benefit being hosted by the ship for a specific group.  Other examples might include a wedding party where a limited number of guests who aren't sailing are allowed to attend for folks who actually are sailing. Either way, they are not the base function of the ship and passengers.   

 

As I mentioned earlier, the crew are working on a limited Visa that only allows for temporary visits via ship.  If the ship docks and turns primarily into a day-pass resort, the crew are no longer legal.  The ship would need to file for state and local occupational licenses, apply for and receive state liquor licenses, pay state and federal income taxes to the crew, abide by US labor and minimum wage laws.....that list goes on and on and on.  Cruise ships, under their current flags and constructs, cannot operate in this capacity in the US.  Did I mention cruise ship ports in the US are federal regulated, limited access facilities?  

 

No matter how much you question it, the fact remains they cannot.  

 

I have never questioned if it is possible to do it the way the OP suggest. I have only admitted that I should be interested in it. (Depending of the price.)

 

If we skip the economics, because I know that what I will suggest/ask about can't be profitable for the cruiseline, and only think about if it should be legal. Should it be possible to invite guests over the day and when everyone has left the ship in the evening leave for Bahamas for a short, maybe 15 minutes, docking and then return to Miami? This is only a theoretical question to help me understand the legal problems with it.

 

A completely different way to look at it may be that the cruiseships can be docked in other countries where American laws and regulations doesn't matter.

[Charles4515]

 
If I agreed with that I should probably not cruise!
 
Very few meals I have eaten on shore have been better than most meals I have eaten on a cruise.

Well I don’t think I would like living wherever you live then. I can walk to several restaurants better than on any cruise I have been on and many just as good. When I cruise from Fort Lauderdale or Miami I go a day early and have found many restaurants better than most on a cruise. I don’t do cruises for the food, that is for sure. I enjoy them for many other reasons. Food on mainstream cruise lines has become meh. Pretty much quantity over quality. I did a cruise on Oceania last August and that was an exception. The food was excellent on Oceania. You get what you pay for.


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[spookwife]

16 hours ago, sverigecruiser said:

 

I'm really impressed that every place in Florida has a bigger variety of restaurants  than a large cruiseship.

 A cruise ship has what,  ten places, max?    I have ten  within walking distance  and I’m not even near the beach.  I am about to go to the beach for dinner.  Even though I have the location pre chosen, I’d have the option of almost 2 dozen different cuisines within 5 miles.  

[jocap]

Both Fred Olsen and CMV cruise lines have offered dinner, entertainment and B&B during winter months in the UK.  One of Fred's was a rock and roll night in Liverpool, I seem to remember....

CMV ships would be moored outside London, at Tilbury, and the charge for the full package was cheaper than a night in a cheaper hotel in London. 

I don't think it would work during the pandemic.

[dulcemariamar]

Could a cruise ship legally take aboard like 500 people said around the ocean for like 8 hours and then drop everyone off at the end of day back in the port where they embarked? 
 

If transatlantic planes can fly for that amount of time, then why cant they do day cruises? 

[chengkp75]

38 minutes ago, dulcemariamar said:

Could a cruise ship legally take aboard like 500 people said around the ocean for like 8 hours and then drop everyone off at the end of day back in the port where they embarked? 
 

If transatlantic planes can fly for that amount of time, then why cant they do day cruises? 

Yes, they could, possibly, but not in the US.  As noted, this is a "cruise to nowhere", and as such, a foreign flag cruise ship would have to have either a fully US crew (US citizens or up to 25% Green Card holders), or have their international crew all obtain H2B work visas (temporary non-agricultural worker), with all the application process, fees, restrictions on country of origin, and if the work desired to be performed is "found to be in the US's interest".  Other countries may or may not have similar labor laws regarding ships, and similar cabotage laws regarding strictly domestic voyages, so it would depend on which country you wanted to have this day cruise out of.

 

Physically, of course the ship could do a day trip.  Legally, it might not be able to, and certainly not in the US at present, with the covid-19 situation and CDC restrictions.

[K32682]

1 hour ago, dulcemariamar said:

Could a cruise ship legally take aboard like 500 people said around the ocean for like 8 hours and then drop everyone off at the end of day back in the port where they embarked? 
 

If transatlantic planes can fly for that amount of time, then why cant they do day cruises? 

 

Sure a cruise ship could do that.  Except that everyone would have to sit in their seat for the entire time, be served a heated up meal with plastic utensils and could only leave their seat for a washroom break. 

 

Yeah, sign me up for that. 🙄

 

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[chipmaster]

On 8/5/2020 at 5:21 AM, dulcemariamar said:

Now that the theme parks have opened in Florida, would it be profitable to open the ships and offer a reduced number of day passes so people could enjoy the ships. You could offer the pools, put on limited capacity shows, and do some onboard activities. There are so many restaurants that you can definitely split people up. What do you think?

 

Please tell me what is the attraction versus a theme park or a plethora of better restaurants or other entertainment.

 

If Movies and live shows aren't allowed on land it can't on the ship

If buffets are served on land ditto on ship, BTW what is the attraction on the ship for all you can eat, then sit by a small pool versus have the beach?   

 

Sorry the only reason I cruise is that the hotel moves to a new place and I tolerate the pool, the b-grade entertainment, small room and limited eating selection.   It's a good deal for the moving hotel, not at all comparing to what is available in any middle sized city.   

[cruznjan]

On 8/5/2020 at 9:44 AM, woldridge said:

Why??? This would not be a cruise experience.  I have a pool at home and better restaurants. 

It would be a chance for people who have never cruised to see what being on a ship is like.

[sanger727]

8 hours ago, chipmaster said:

 

Please tell me what is the attraction versus a theme park or a plethora of better restaurants or other entertainment.

 

If Movies and live shows aren't allowed on land it can't on the ship

If buffets are served on land ditto on ship, BTW what is the attraction on the ship for all you can eat, then sit by a small pool versus have the beach?   

 

Sorry the only reason I cruise is that the hotel moves to a new place and I tolerate the pool, the b-grade entertainment, small room and limited eating selection.   It's a good deal for the moving hotel, not at all comparing to what is available in any middle sized city.   

I’m pretty sure cruise lines don’t invest in billion dollar ships to attract people who simply ‘tolerate’ them. There are many people on these forums that jump at a chance for a cruise that goes to places they’ve been 20 times and won’t get off the ship just to try out the latest and grates ships. I would do this day pass idea if they could park a cruise ship close enough to me to drive to it. Not from the stand point that I can get a meal on board that’s better than a meal I can get from land. But I’ve certainly had a meal at a specialty restaurant that rated right up with some of the best meals I’ve had in my city. The attraction would be the full package; a full day of eating and drinking on board included In the entry price (which I can’t get anywhere on land), a day with access to a pool and various activities (I’m sure I could find all those activities in my city but you would have to travel place to place And pay multiple entry fees). Topped off with a very nice dinner in a specialty restaurant and a show. I agree that this can’t be done today, along with the fact tha it can’t be done legally, but in this dream would where it could be done, I certainly see some appeal to it.

[cruizergal70]

Question: what are these games and activities that would be so attractive?