Rare Tippyton Posted November 15, 2020 #176 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, travelhound said: The problem with that logic is that we seem to have selective enforcement. For example, it's okay for tens of thousands of protesters to march on the freeway, but God forbid if I want to go on a cruise. In the end, it's the personal responsibility of all of us to protect the vulnerable people around us. It's not going to be perfect, but life is not perfect. "...seem to have selective outrage..." FTFY 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeaHunt Posted November 15, 2020 #177 Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 hours ago, HaveWeMetYet said: Here is New Mexico Covid deaths on Friday. 22 set a record I believe Also on Friday New Mexico announced they will be enacting a temporary "reset": "The restrictions are effective Monday, Nov. 16, through Monday, Nov. 30. New Mexicans are instructed to stay at home except for only those trips that are essential to health, safety and welfare – such as for food and water, emergency medical care, to obtain a flu shot or to obtain a test for COVID-19: https://www.governor.state.nm.us/2020/11/13/n-m-hits-reset-re-enacting-most-heightened-level-of-statewide-public-health-restrictions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ONECRUISER Posted November 15, 2020 #178 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 22 minutes ago, SeaHunt said: Also on Friday New Mexico announced they will be enacting a temporary "reset": "The restrictions are effective Monday, Nov. 16, through Monday, Nov. 30. New Mexicans are instructed to stay at home except for only those trips that are essential to health, safety and welfare – such as for food and water, emergency medical care, to obtain a flu shot or to obtain a test for COVID-19: https://www.governor.state.nm.us/2020/11/13/n-m-hits-reset-re-enacting-most-heightened-level-of-statewide-public-health-restrictions/ Though it's not really that restrictive, can go get my car fixed, shop at Walmart, do my laundry at a self serve and even get food from Applebees long as it's take out... Essential businesses – such as grocery stores, pharmacies, shelters, child care facilities, gas stations, infrastructure operations and others – must minimize operations and in-person staffing to the greatest extent possible but may remain open for limited essential in-person activities. A complete list of categories of businesses defined as essential is included in the public health order and at the bottom of this news release. Food and drink establishments may provide curbside pickup and delivery services; on-site dining is prohibited. A retail space identified as an essential business in the public health order – such as a grocery store, a hardware store, an automobile or bike repair facility, laundromats, liquor stores and large “big box” retailers – may not exceed either 25 percent of maximum occupancy or 75 customers at any one time, whichever is smaller. These essential retail spaces must close by 10 p.m. nightly and may reopen at 4 a.m. Edited November 15, 2020 by ONECRUISER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atgood Posted November 15, 2020 #179 Share Posted November 15, 2020 4 minutes ago, Heymarco said: Not sure why we have to make everything political, especially on an international site such as cruise critic. How about give both sides what they want? Democrats can cruise in 2023 and pay 40% taxes. Republican can cruise in 2021 and pay 20%. Seems fair, someone has to cover for losses. Big picture is important including lives, well being, and freedom. Rather than doing this, it would behoove us to quit being so decisive and start working together. We don’t have to all agree, but should allow for freedom of opinions, and most importantly respect for each other. It’s group think that will be way more devastating than Covid ever was. Who gets to cruise in 2022? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaveWeMetYet Posted November 15, 2020 #180 Share Posted November 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, ONECRUISER said: Though it's not really that restrictive, can go get my car fixed, shop at Walmart, do my laundry at a self serve and even get food from Applebees long as it's take out All it really does it shut down indoor dining, close gyms and hair salons for a couple of weeks, maybe longer if covid cases remain high, which they will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted November 15, 2020 #181 Share Posted November 15, 2020 5 hours ago, suzyluvs2cruise said: So you're saying the "new" task force will be able to make everything better? They certainly will try to !! 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fla gang Posted November 15, 2020 #182 Share Posted November 15, 2020 On 11/13/2020 at 11:31 PM, zalusky said: Good for you if you get it and it works but there will not be enough in circulation until mid year to turn the tide and I don’t think they are going to prioritize cruise passengers. Remember there is a whole world out that needs it. That’s a lot of demand and prioritization. Two shots are required along with special storage. I hope it's not like the shingles vaccine. It made me sick for 3 days! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
voyager70 Posted November 15, 2020 #183 Share Posted November 15, 2020 6 hours ago, Heymarco said: Not sure why we have to make everything political, especially on an international site such as cruise critic. How about give both sides what they want? Democrats can cruise in 2023 and pay 40% taxes. Republican can cruise in 2021 and pay 20%. Seems fair, someone has to cover for losses. Big picture is important including lives, well being, and freedom. Rather than doing this, it would behoove us to quit being so decisive and start working together. We don’t have to all agree, but should allow for freedom of opinions, and most importantly respect for each other. It’s group think that will be way more devastating than Covid ever was. Heymarco I agree with you for once! Peace out 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandebeach Posted November 15, 2020 #184 Share Posted November 15, 2020 3 hours ago, fla gang said: I hope it's not like the shingles vaccine. It made me sick for 3 days! We got our second dose of the Shingles vaccine on Thursday and my husband still feels “achy”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
logan25 Posted November 15, 2020 #185 Share Posted November 15, 2020 8 hours ago, atgood said: Who gets to cruise in 2022? The Undecided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webecruzin2 Posted November 15, 2020 #186 Share Posted November 15, 2020 11 hours ago, yogimax said: Nonsensical comparison. Eating is a necessity. Driving is a necessity. Cruising is not. But keeping thousands of cruise industry employees working to feed their families back home is very important. Keeping the restaurant industry, entertainment industry, and the rest of the hospitality industry going is very important to our economic survival. We are losing our basic liberties little by little, and this is not by chance. This is an opportunity for the power hungry. I've caught a at least 4 viruses while on my 50+ cruises. It wasn't fun but I survived and it didn't stop me from going back. It happens all the time on cruise ships. Get tested before you cruise. I've been tested 4 times, twice so that I could enjoy life outside my home on a couple of vacations. If you're sick stay home. If a person knows they're in danger of dying from a virus, stay home. We should be able to sign a waiver not to sue the cruise line if we pick up a bug along the way. Enough is enough. Just stay home with your mask on if you're that concerned about it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare A&L_Ont Posted November 15, 2020 #187 Share Posted November 15, 2020 12 hours ago, travelhound said: I was referring to the politicians that are trying to politicize the virus To be honest, all politicians have made the virus political. 11 hours ago, grandgeezer said: They don’t have to go on a cruise, all is needed is some arrogant, selfish person to bring it home with them, after they cruise. What would you call that? I would call that accurate on a selfish comment. There are individuals living as safe as possible, and yet they get can get sick from the ones acting with a laissez faire attitude. 8 hours ago, MommaBear55 said: The problem is that the stupid carry it to other people. There was a wedding of 66 people in Maine, there ended up being almost 200 cases as a direct result, including many at a nursing home and at the jail. None of those who died had been at the wedding. The pastor who officiated at the wedding said afterwards "faith over fear". A prime example of the stupid, with the laissez faire attitude, effecting others. One can’t live in fear but there is a tipping point between stupid and smart. Sadly judging by the case numbers, there are many countries who have citizens that have yet to realize that tipping point on the pendulum. I believe you can flatten the fear, if a the stupid acted a bit better. A lock down isn’t needed, just common sense. LOL, common sense isn’t common anymore though. A dog is trainable, a human not so much. It’s now time for the face palm emoji. 🤦♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted November 15, 2020 #188 Share Posted November 15, 2020 16 hours ago, time4u2go said: I'm not sure that American Thinker is exactly an impartial source. More than half the links posted have this issue. 😇 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milwaukee Eight Posted November 15, 2020 #189 Share Posted November 15, 2020 11 hours ago, ATC cruiser said: wont be long before this thread gets shut Same players....on nearly every thread that gets to a discussion on COVID19. M8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tippyton Posted November 15, 2020 #190 Share Posted November 15, 2020 8 hours ago, Ashland said: They certainly will try to !! They'll certainly try. Hey - giving the vaccine that we paid for to other countries is trying, right? WINNING! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobal Posted November 15, 2020 #191 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Tippyton said: They'll certainly try. Hey - giving the vaccine that we paid for to other countries is trying, right? WINNING! That YOU paid for? You may want to read this https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/ or this https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington Agreeing to a buy a vaccine once approved is not the same as funding its research and development. On the other hand you may want to carry on drinking the kool aid 🙄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted November 15, 2020 #192 Share Posted November 15, 2020 9 minutes ago, Bobal said: That YOU paid for? You may want to read this https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/ or this https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington Agreeing to a buy a vaccine once approved is not the same as funding its research and development. On the other hand you may want to carry on drinking the kool aid 🙄 That we paid for in advance for. So yes we paid for the vaccine itself, though not the R&D on this particular vaccine. Its bought and paid for in advance. Waiting on FDA approval to distribute. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted November 15, 2020 #193 Share Posted November 15, 2020 10 hours ago, fla gang said: I hope it's not like the shingles vaccine. It made me sick for 3 days! Interesting...I guess it varies....neither of us had any problems with the shingles vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashland Posted November 15, 2020 #194 Share Posted November 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Tippyton said: They'll certainly try. Hey - giving the vaccine that we paid for to other countries is trying, right? WINNING! Multiple international labs are working on this...Every country should get it as a combined effort. It's not who paid for it ...wrong attitude !! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mworkman Posted November 15, 2020 #195 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 23 hours ago, yogimax said: The United States is back up to over 1000 deaths a day. Riddle me this...still no change! https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate Edited November 15, 2020 by mworkman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogimax Posted November 15, 2020 #196 Share Posted November 15, 2020 15 hours ago, Heymarco said: 480,000 deaths in US from smoking last year, yet we still provide freedom to do so. Why are we being so much much more restrictive with Covid? Everyone has the freedom to stay home. Just saying! Tobacco lobby! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yogimax Posted November 15, 2020 #197 Share Posted November 15, 2020 45 minutes ago, firefly333 said: Its bought and paid for in advance. Waiting on FDA approval to distribute. You're a bit ahead of yourself. It can't be distributed until it receives final approval. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
time4u2go Posted November 15, 2020 #198 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, mworkman said: Riddle me this...still no change! https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/death-rate The link you cited includes this statement: Edited November 15, 2020 by time4u2go 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted November 15, 2020 #199 Share Posted November 15, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, yogimax said: You're a bit ahead of yourself. It can't be distributed until it receives final approval. Isnt that what I said, waiting on emergency fda approval that you quoted. Seems to me you are nit picking words. What's the difference between what we said. I've also said elsewhere, waiting on dec 1st expected results to be released on both shots, on the pfe vaccine. Do I have to repeat everything I've read for you every post? And yes, it's been manufactured in advance ready to ship doses that are bought and paid for. Edited November 15, 2020 by firefly333 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tippyton Posted November 15, 2020 #200 Share Posted November 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Bobal said: That YOU paid for? You may want to read this https://fortune.com/2020/11/09/pfizer-vaccine-funding-warp-speed-germany/ or this https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-09/pfizer-vaccine-s-funding-came-from-berlin-not-washington Agreeing to a buy a vaccine once approved is not the same as funding its research and development. On the other hand you may want to carry on drinking the kool aid 🙄 Personal attack...check! Deflection from the main point...check! Why on earth with a crippled economy, millions our of work, would we spend our hard-earned resources on other countries? To confirm my comment about shills and commies, here's this from Zeke himself: "Reasonable national partiality does not permit retaining more vaccine than the amount needed to keep the rate of transmission (Rt) below 1, when that vaccine could instead mitigate substantial COVID-19–related harms in other countries that have been unable to keep Rt below 1 through ongoing public-health efforts," the Science magazine article titled "An ethical framework for global vaccine allocation" argues. "Associative ties only justify a government's giving some priority to its own citizens, not absolute priority," Emanuel wrote with his co-authors." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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