I like vacation Posted June 2, 2019 #26 Share Posted June 2, 2019 5 minutes ago, TravelerThom said: The pictures I’ve seen seem to show NO damage to the stern. https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/venedig-schiffsunfall-103.html I’m confused by some of the pictures, but am under the impression that River Countess damage was limited to bow and forward section of the boat. Did you have confirmation that the pilot house was ripped off? I have not seen evidence that the sun deck suffered structural damage. There is certainly considerable cosmetic and quite likely structural damage to the port side of the bow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare gnome12 Posted June 3, 2019 #27 Share Posted June 3, 2019 52 minutes ago, TravelerThom said: The pictures I’ve seen seem to show NO damage to the stern. https://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/venedig-schiffsunfall-103.html I’m confused by some of the pictures, but am under the impression that River Countess damage was limited to bow and forward section of the boat. Did you have confirmation that the pilot house was ripped off? I have not seen evidence that the sun deck suffered structural damage. There is certainly considerable cosmetic and quite likely structural damage to the port side of the bow. I don’t remember where I saw the videos but there was very extensive damage to the wheelhouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelerThom Posted June 3, 2019 #28 Share Posted June 3, 2019 51 minutes ago, I like vacation said: If you are going to post something, some words (YOU provided NONE) of explanation would be useful. Yes I had seen this were the small picture in the upper right certainly looks like a trashed wheelhouse, BUT the larger picture showing the sun deck from above seems to show very little damage (the sun deck railing and planters seem undisturbed). As I previously stated I’m confused by the pictures. Showing the same pictures I’ve seen before without explanation is not helpful. Where is the trashed wheelhouse in the picture showing the entire sun deck? Given that the River Countess sun deck picture is showing the boat well away from the embankment I am assuming that that picture was taken after the boat and ship had both reached their immediate post crash positions. Would that assumption be incorrect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acwmom Posted June 3, 2019 #29 Share Posted June 3, 2019 There's a video on YouTube which is 9:45 long, it has footage which shows the damage. Start around 8:30 https://youtu.be/gnPhEXXyGG0 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TravelerThom Posted June 3, 2019 #30 Share Posted June 3, 2019 46 minutes ago, acwmom said: There's a video on YouTube which is 9:45 long, it has footage which shows the damage. Start around 8:30 https://youtu.be/gnPhEXXyGG0 Thanks for this link. I guess the ship hull bulge passed above the sun deck railing, pushed the umbrellas slightly to the side and clipped the roof of the wheelhouse and peeled it back. Not being a ship collision expert, I’ll leave future analysis to others. It seems like the wreak could have been much worse and luckily appears to have resulted in only a few injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I like vacation Posted June 3, 2019 #31 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 hours ago, TravelerThom said: If you are going to post something, some words (YOU provided NONE) of explanation would be useful. Yes I had seen this were the small picture in the upper right certainly looks like a trashed wheelhouse, BUT the larger picture showing the sun deck from above seems to show very little damage (the sun deck railing and planters seem undisturbed). As I previously stated I’m confused by the pictures. Showing the same pictures I’ve seen before without explanation is not helpful. Where is the trashed wheelhouse in the picture showing the entire sun deck? Given that the River Countess sun deck picture is showing the boat well away from the embankment I am assuming that that picture was taken after the boat and ship had both reached their immediate post crash positions. Would that assumption be incorrect? I have no way of knowing what pictures you had seen before and therefore posted a picture of the wheel house that showed the damage. Always thought that a picture is worth a thousand words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted June 3, 2019 #32 Share Posted June 3, 2019 @TravelerThom I don´t have the footage (my DH showed it to me) but there were some aerial shots of the pilot house. As for the stern. Check google earth for pictures - it´s hard for me to explain in English but the pier has sort of a platform going into the Guidecca canal. The River Countess was docked in front of that area and has been pushed backwards. So it must have hit that part of the pier with the stern. And you can see damage at the stern on the photo in the Tagesschau article you´ve linked to. The MSC Opera might have later ripped off that part of the pier. One video taken from the ship shows the bow parallel to a building which is past that part of the pier. @Lois R The MSC Opera has azipods which propel but also steer the ship. They lost control over the pods and therefore nor steering or stopping. They tried to stop the ship by throwing the anchor. On many footage you can see the port anchor chain. The towboats weren´t able to stop the ship either. And yes, they saw it coming and therefore blew the ships horn as emergency signal for a couple of minutes (I read something about 10 min but I think that might be a little bit too long). The pilot was quoted that nobody on the bridge of the MSC Opera could explain what happened. The engine sort of locked up and according to the pilot association even picked up speed. steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare steamboats Posted June 3, 2019 #33 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) On FB are more photos of the damages on the River Countess (sorry, link is blocked, search for Schifffahrt Rhein & Nebenflüsse). steamboats Edited June 3, 2019 by steamboats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capriccio Posted June 3, 2019 #34 Share Posted June 3, 2019 There are new photos and videos on the MSC thread: See post #93 for a picture of the dining room on the River Countess and the article (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7098103/Pilot-cruise-ship-smashed-Venice-canal-tour-boat-describes-horror-crash.html) in post #92 for additional videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Coral Posted June 3, 2019 Author #35 Share Posted June 3, 2019 3 minutes ago, capriccio said: There are new photos and videos on the MSC thread: See post #93 for a picture of the dining room on the River Countess and the article (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7098103/Pilot-cruise-ship-smashed-Venice-canal-tour-boat-describes-horror-crash.html) in post #92 for additional videos. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare TLCOhio Posted June 3, 2019 #36 Share Posted June 3, 2019 There is much to consider and what is involved about Venice. Hopeful things work out for those with upcoming cruises involving Venice. It's an amazing city!! But, its history and architecture creates unique challenges. Clearly, Venice is in the news right now!! But, not the best publicity and these issues raise added, future questions. From the BBC this morning, they had this headline: “Venice crash captain ordered 'all procedures to avoid impact' ” with these story highlights: “A recording has emerged of the captain of a cruise ship describing an engine fault causing the vessel to crash into a tourist boat in Venice on Sunday. In a conversation with the harbour master, the captain of the MSC Opera says that dropping two anchors was not enough because the engine was 'locked'. 'We have activated all possible procedures to avoid impact,' he says. The crash left four people hurt and has reignited calls to ban large vessels from the city's Giudecca canal.” As to the government battles/debates, here is what was shared in this BBC story: "The incident has sparked a row between Italy's two ruling parties. Italian Deputy Prime Minister Matteo Salvini of the right-wing League party blamed the populist Five Star Movement for stifling progress to resolve the issue. Speaking at a rally in Tivoli, Mr Salvini said a solution to prevent such accidents - the enlargement of part of the canal - had been developed and shared last year, but the plans had been blocked "because a 'no' was received from a ministry, and it was not a ministry of the League". The Five Star Movement said in response that "if the League has a plan to solve everything tomorrow, they should present it", adding that they had seen no proposal from the party." Full story at: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48496412 THANKS! Enjoy! Terry in Ohio Venice: Loving It & Why??!! Is one of your future desires or past favorites? See these many visual samples for its great history and architecture. This posting is now at 83,028 views. http://boards.cruisecritic.com/showthread.php?t=1278226 Here is the BBC graphic that shows the exact location where this crash happened in historic Venice.: (Open your screen/viewer wider to see these pictures larger/better!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiptomylou Posted June 3, 2019 #37 Share Posted June 3, 2019 We just heard from our travel Agent that the River Countess is expected to resume service on July 21 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Lois R Posted June 3, 2019 #38 Share Posted June 3, 2019 28 minutes ago, skiptomylou said: We just heard from our travel Agent that the River Countess is expected to resume service on July 21 Well, that is promising except for the folks who are sailing between now and then.....I wonder what they are doing for the passengers who are supposed to sail...…... I am cruising in October so I have time on my side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skiptomylou Posted June 3, 2019 #39 Share Posted June 3, 2019 we cruise on 8/4 so will be on the second voyage after repairs. I am hoping some of the cruisers who are unable to travel can share what they received in compensation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pully8 Posted June 4, 2019 #40 Share Posted June 4, 2019 At least with this Uniworld itinerary there is very little cruising, the ship acts as a floating hotel and bus tours occur most days. They may simply have passengers in hotels and continue the itinerary as planned. Albeit we know a hotel experience is not the same as on the ship in terms of food/drinks and service. Thankfully in this incident there were no fatalities reported. Clearly the large cruise ships need to be not permitted to dock near the fragile and beautiful historic areas of Venice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acwmom Posted June 4, 2019 #41 Share Posted June 4, 2019 One of the injured passengers just posted a very complimentary note on Uniworld's FB page. She gave high praises to a crew member named Louisa. Robin 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Lois R Posted June 4, 2019 #42 Share Posted June 4, 2019 1 hour ago, acwmom said: One of the injured passengers just posted a very complimentary note on Uniworld's FB page. She gave high praises to a crew member named Louisa. Robin Thanks for posting this Robin......glad to know she had a good experience in a situation such as this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted January 22, 2020 #43 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Uniworld is suing MSC cruises: http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articles/355903/uniworld-sues-msc-cruises-for-damages-after-venice-collision notamermaid 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pully8 Posted January 23, 2020 #44 Share Posted January 23, 2020 Understandable and fortunate that no one was seriously injured. The crash was remarkable. Interested to see how the Uniworld ship will look following its renovation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4774Papa Posted January 25, 2020 #45 Share Posted January 25, 2020 On 6/2/2019 at 7:25 AM, Coral said: Huge cruise ship plows into tourist boat, dock in Venice https://abcnews.go.com/Lifestyle/wireStory/cruise-ship-plows-tourist-boat-venice-63431003 Looks like a Uniworld ship (River Countess) and MSC Opera. Another reason to skip MSC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Lois R Posted January 25, 2020 #46 Share Posted January 25, 2020 I sailed on the River Countess back in October----she was beautiful and we had a lovely cruise......gotta LOVE VENICE 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare notamermaid Posted October 15, 2021 #47 Share Posted October 15, 2021 The court case has been closed with a compensation, here is the story: https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/tourism/msc-agrees-e2-4m-compensation-for-venice-cruise-ship-collision notamermaid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squawkman Posted October 16, 2021 #48 Share Posted October 16, 2021 5 hours ago, notamermaid said: The court case has been closed with a compensation, here is the story: https://travelweekly.co.uk/news/tourism/msc-agrees-e2-4m-compensation-for-venice-cruise-ship-collision notamermaid Do you know why a British court settled the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT2407 Posted October 16, 2021 #49 Share Posted October 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Squawkman said: Do you know why a British court settled the case? The court didn’t settle the case the parties did, on both sides because they thought it was a sensible compromise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canal archive Posted October 16, 2021 #50 Share Posted October 16, 2021 (edited) If you read the report the court did make the judgement and all concurred. I suspect it was made by a London court either to do with the insurance companies base or as a neutral maritime law centre. Regardless I’m glad it’s all settled these things take so much longer usually. Edited October 16, 2021 by Canal archive 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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