loman Posted November 9, 2020 #101 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Good news indeed for the travel industry . Still not getting the vaccine . i will wait for a while to cruise again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted November 9, 2020 #102 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, BND said: Pretty typical for vaccine and drug studies. Not typical at all 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FamilyCruiserUK Posted November 9, 2020 #103 Share Posted November 9, 2020 It's good news so far but still a lot of hurdles to get through. Hope it works out but will take a long time to be issued out to the world 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorraineP Posted November 9, 2020 #104 Share Posted November 9, 2020 If getting a vaccine is a cruising requirement, I will give up cruising. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted November 9, 2020 #105 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, kruzn63 said: You know why🤔 It was just announced on MSNBC that a third party company does the trials for Pfizer. They just notified Pfizer of the results of their trials yesterday. Pfizer did not know of the results. The Pfizer CEO was just notified yesterday, Nov. 8th at 2:00pm. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted November 9, 2020 #106 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, broberts said: Mask wearing is with us for some time to come. They are needed because it will take more than a year to vaccinate everyone. Why would someone who is protected by the vaccine have to wear a mask in public? A protected person, by the vaccine, could not possibly be able to pass on the virus when said person is not contagious. Isn't that the way it works???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmyrealnameoremail Posted November 9, 2020 #107 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, coffeebean said: Why would someone who is protected by the vaccine have to wear a mask in public? A protected person, by the vaccine, could not possibly be able to pass on the virus when said person is not contagious. Isn't that the way it works???? At the moment it looks like this vaccine might be 90% effective. That is wonderfully high, but it still means that 10% of those vaccinated can get sick and be contagious. They would have no way to know that until it is too late. That's where getting to herd immunity comes in. It helps to prevent community spread. Edited November 9, 2020 by notmyrealnameoremail Hit enter too quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BND Posted November 9, 2020 #108 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, not-enough-cruising said: Not typical at all The normal protocol is to remove people from the study due to illness of any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BND Posted November 9, 2020 #109 Share Posted November 9, 2020 (edited) 21 minutes ago, notmyrealnameoremail said: At the moment it looks like this vaccine might be 90% effective. That is wonderfully high, but it still means that 10% of those vaccinated can get sick and be contagious. They would have no way to know that until it is too late. That's where getting to herd immunity comes in. It helps to prevent community spread. It does mean you are much less likely to come into contact with someone who is contagious or ill though. Just like other vaccines where people rarely catch the illness even if the vaccine is less effective. Your odds of coming into contact with someone who has the illness drops dramatically. That's how herd immunity works. You also are less likely to have a severe illness if you've been vaccinated. Just like most who catch the flu who have been vaccinated have much less symptoms, shorter length of illness and less likely to have a secondary infection. Edited November 9, 2020 by BND 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BND Posted November 9, 2020 #110 Share Posted November 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, LorraineP said: If getting a vaccine is a cruising requirement, I will give up cruising. Why? We'll get it. There's too much misinformation spread on social media that has scared people into thinking something that just isn't true. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arzeena Posted November 9, 2020 #111 Share Posted November 9, 2020 46 minutes ago, LorraineP said: If getting a vaccine is a cruising requirement, I will give up cruising. Your choice. Thanks for giving it up and saving other lives. You are a kind and considerate person. 7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notmyrealnameoremail Posted November 9, 2020 #112 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Just now, BND said: It does mean you are much less likely to come into contact with someone who is contagious or ill though. Just like other vaccines where people rarely catch the illness even if the vaccine is less effective. Your odds of coming into contact with someone who has the illness drops dramatically. That's how herd immunity works. I agree, but that effect gets stronger as the percentage of people vaccinated goes up. Assuming 90% effective rate. When 16% of the public is vaccinated, 14.4% are immune and roughly 7 out of 8 of the people you meet are not immune. When 56% are vaccinated, just under half of the people you encounter are not immune and thus a risk to others Get 90% vaccinated and 19% of people you meet are still a risk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
not-enough-cruising Posted November 9, 2020 #113 Share Posted November 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, BND said: The normal protocol is to remove people from the study due to illness of any kind. But what is atypical in this instance is the individuals contracted the very illness that they were being immunized for (possibly) Normal protocol in an instance such as this would be to investigate the possibility that the drug being tested was the source of the illness. I do not see any documentation of this, and I 100% guarantee the FDA will want to see these findings during their review. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BND Posted November 9, 2020 #114 Share Posted November 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, notmyrealnameoremail said: I agree, but that effect gets stronger as the percentage of people vaccinated goes up. Assuming 90% effective rate. When 16% of the public is vaccinated, 14.4% are immune and roughly 7 out of 8 of the people you meet are not immune. When 56% are vaccinated, just under half of the people you encounter are not immune and thus a risk to others Get 90% vaccinated and 19% of people you meet are still a risk. But, what percentage of that 19% have actually been exposed to someone that does have it? That lowers the risk even more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted November 9, 2020 #115 Share Posted November 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, coffeebean said: Why would someone who is protected by the vaccine have to wear a mask in public? A protected person, by the vaccine, could not possibly be able to pass on the virus when said person is not contagious. Isn't that the way it works???? A whole host of reasons: Vaccine are not 100% effective There is a period after receiving a vaccine before one is protected It will be some time before enough people have been vaccinated to achieve need immunity, if it is achievable I'm not sure data exists for how infectious the inoculated might be There is little to no data on the durability of a vaccination. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LorraineP Posted November 9, 2020 #116 Share Posted November 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, Arzeena said: Your choice. Thanks for giving it up and saving other lives. You are a kind and considerate person. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted November 9, 2020 #117 Share Posted November 9, 2020 17 minutes ago, notmyrealnameoremail said: I agree, but that effect gets stronger as the percentage of people vaccinated goes up. Assuming 90% effective rate. When 16% of the public is vaccinated, 14.4% are immune and roughly 7 out of 8 of the people you meet are not immune. When 56% are vaccinated, just under half of the people you encounter are not immune and thus a risk to others Get 90% vaccinated and 19% of people you meet are still a risk. I think people are missing facts, go going on with assumptions. This measure was taken at 28 days after first booster. Effects of 2nd booster expected out around dec 1st. ... Another question is flu vaccine means you dont get the flu as bad, if you get it. People dont know yet if this is true for covid. People dont seem to be taking into consideration this is 28 days after shot 1 of 2. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firefly333 Posted November 9, 2020 #118 Share Posted November 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, broberts said: A whole host of reasons: Vaccine are not 100% effective There is a period after receiving a vaccine before one is protected It will be some time before enough people have been vaccinated to achieve need immunity, if it is achievable I'm not sure data exists for how infectious the inoculated might be There is little to no data on the durability of a vaccination. Why would inoculated be infectious at all. A live virus isnt in the shot. .. talking about the pfeister vaccine only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BND Posted November 9, 2020 #119 Share Posted November 9, 2020 2 minutes ago, firefly333 said: Why would inoculated be infectious at all. A live virus isnt in the shot. .. talking about the pfeister vaccine only. As far as I know none use a live virus so not an issue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Mary229 Posted November 9, 2020 #120 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Just because it is 90% effective doesn't mean the 10% will get the full blown illness. The quote is that it is 90% effective in preventing Covid symptoms. Those other 10% may still have developed partial immunity. This is not an attenuated virus vaccine. It is a two part vaccine. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare broberts Posted November 9, 2020 #121 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 minute ago, firefly333 said: Why would inoculated be infectious at all. A live virus isnt in the shot. .. talking about the pfeister vaccine only. Speed of the immune reaction is unknown. It is known that pre covid transmission is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Tree_skier Posted November 9, 2020 #122 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I think some people want the virus to go on forever. 11 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine3601 Posted November 9, 2020 #123 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, coffeebean said: Why would someone who is protected by the vaccine have to wear a mask in public? A protected person, by the vaccine, could not possibly be able to pass on the virus when said person is not contagious. Isn't that the way it works???? Possibly someone could be a carrier of the virus and pass on to someone who is not masked. Plus there is the 10% +/- ineffectiveness. I keep hearing we will be wearing masks for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffeebean Posted November 9, 2020 #124 Share Posted November 9, 2020 1 hour ago, notmyrealnameoremail said: At the moment it looks like this vaccine might be 90% effective. That is wonderfully high, but it still means that 10% of those vaccinated can get sick and be contagious. They would have no way to know that until it is too late. That's where getting to herd immunity comes in. It helps to prevent community spread. Once it is determined that The US has reached herd immunity is when we can remove our masks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BirdTravels Posted November 10, 2020 #125 Share Posted November 10, 2020 The President-elect has already made it clear in public statements that masks are the way of the future for the country. Masks will be required, vaccinated or not, until COVID is eradicated worldwide. YOu can't tell the difference between someone that is vaccinated and an unvaccinated person who has just stepped off an international flight. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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