GonzoWCS Posted May 14, 2021 #26 Share Posted May 14, 2021 Step Forward! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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K.T.B. Posted May 14, 2021 #28 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, caribill said: Well, that's one way to social distance... 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syracusefan44 Posted May 15, 2021 #29 Share Posted May 15, 2021 More good news from the CDC last night. The CDC outlined what type of tests are required for fully and unvaccinated passengers. Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing. While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion. Those that are not vaccinated, will need to take a Viral (NAAT or antigen) test for embarkation day, disembarkation day, and if doing a back to back. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted May 15, 2021 #30 Share Posted May 15, 2021 2 hours ago, Syracusefan44 said: More good news from the CDC last night. The CDC outlined what type of tests are required for fully and unvaccinated passengers. Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing. While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion. Those that are not vaccinated, will need to take a Viral (NAAT or antigen) test for embarkation day, disembarkation day, and if doing a back to back. Hmmm. The statement in there that I find interesting is the international travelers arriving in the US are RECOMMENDED to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. They could have said REQUIRED instead of RECOMMENDED. They could have also made it a recommendation for those vaccinated and a requirement for those not vaccinated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caribill Posted May 15, 2021 #31 Share Posted May 15, 2021 6 hours ago, Syracusefan44 said: Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing. International travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. But don't those flying to the USA after a cruise still have to be have a negative test within the 3 days before the flight home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K.T.B. Posted May 15, 2021 #32 Share Posted May 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Syracusefan44 said: More good news from the CDC last night. The CDC outlined what type of tests are required for fully and unvaccinated passengers. Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing. While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion. Those that are not vaccinated, will need to take a Viral (NAAT or antigen) test for embarkation day, disembarkation day, and if doing a back to back. All the more reason to be vaccinated if you want to cruise! If you're vaccinated, no chance of a false positive popping up and preventing you from cruising! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride-The-Waves Posted May 15, 2021 #33 Share Posted May 15, 2021 7 hours ago, Syracusefan44 said: More good news from the CDC last night. The CDC outlined what type of tests are required for fully and unvaccinated passengers. Fully vaccinated passengers do not need to be tested on embarkation day, disembarkation day, or even going on a back to back sailing. While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion. Those that are not vaccinated, will need to take a Viral (NAAT or antigen) test for embarkation day, disembarkation day, and if doing a back to back. Any idea of who, which country and which agency is tracking all this stuff? INS/Homeland Security in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare ontheweb Posted May 15, 2021 #34 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, caribill said: But don't those flying to the USA after a cruise still have to be have a negative test within the 3 days before the flight home? Good question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted May 15, 2021 #35 Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, caribill said: But don't those flying to the USA after a cruise still have to be have a negative test within the 3 days before the flight home? I believe these particular guide lines are for the restricted cruises out of US ports: Screening Testing of All Embarking and Disembarking Passengers for Restricted Voyages Embarkation Day Testing Viral (NAAT or antigen) Not Applicable* Disembarkation Day Testing Viral (NAAT or antigen) Not Applicable Back-to-Back Sailing¥ Testing Viral (NAAT or antigen) Not Applicable * While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion. ¥ Back-to-back sailing refers to passengers who stay on board for two or more voyages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare azbirdmom Posted May 15, 2021 #36 Share Posted May 15, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ken the cruiser said: I believe these particular guide lines are for the restricted cruises out of US ports: Screening Testing of All Embarking and Disembarking Passengers for Restricted Voyages Embarkation Day Testing Viral (NAAT or antigen) Not Applicable* Disembarkation Day Testing Viral (NAAT or antigen) Not Applicable Back-to-Back Sailing¥ Testing Viral (NAAT or antigen) Not Applicable * While embarkation testing is not required, international travelers arriving in the U.S. are recommended to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. Cruise operators may follow this recommendation at their discretion. ¥ Back-to-back sailing refers to passengers who stay on board for two or more voyages. IF the Alaska cruise season is somehow salvaged, only US ports will be visited. It would be nice if vaccinated passengers could skip the 3-5 day pre-disembarkation tests. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LACruiser88 Posted May 15, 2021 #37 Share Posted May 15, 2021 17 minutes ago, azbirdmom said: IF the Alaska cruise season is somehow salvaged, only US ports will be visited. It would be nice if vaccinated passengers could skip the 3-5 day pre-disembarkation tests. New CDC guidelines released yesterday, eliminate the pre and post testing for vaccinated passengers... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ride-The-Waves Posted May 15, 2021 #38 Share Posted May 15, 2021 Of course everybody's vaccinated!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gmjc2 Posted May 16, 2021 #39 Share Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) This will not apply to our June cruise out of ST. Maarten unless Celebrity decides to follow those guidelines. They do not have to. Yes, unless things change in the next 2-3 weeks we will still have to have the disembarkation test to get on the plane to fly home! Edited May 16, 2021 by gmjc2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALWAYS CRUZIN Posted May 17, 2021 #40 Share Posted May 17, 2021 On 5/15/2021 at 6:25 PM, LACruiser88 said: New CDC guidelines released yesterday, eliminate the pre and post testing for vaccinated passengers... Want to cruise out of Florida. Currently no cruise line can check if you have been vaccinated without receiving a fine. Florida stupid law. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syracusefan44 Posted May 17, 2021 #41 Share Posted May 17, 2021 The Carnival Cruise line President Christine Duffy will be on NBC News with Lester Holt tonight at 6:30 p.m. Duffy will confirm active discussions with the CDC and that the cruise line is aiming for a July restart. She also confirms there will be NO vaccine mandate on board. I Carnival is caving to DeSantis and in my opinion is making a big mistake putting four unvaccinated passengers in a stateroom and hoping they don’t have a COVID19 outbreak onboard a ship. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare Ken the cruiser Posted May 17, 2021 #42 Share Posted May 17, 2021 4 minutes ago, Syracusefan44 said: The Carnival Cruise line President Christine Duffy will be on NBC News with Lester Holt tonight at 6:30 p.m. Duffy will confirm active discussions with the CDC and that the cruise line is aiming for a July restart. She also confirms there will be NO vaccine mandate on board. I Carnival is caving to DeSantis and in my opinion is making a big mistake putting four unvaccinated passengers in a stateroom and hoping they don’t have a COVID19 outbreak onboard a ship. Do you by chance have a link to this information we can read? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syracusefan44 Posted May 17, 2021 #43 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, Ken the cruiser said: Do you by chance have a link to this information we can read? https://twitter.com/portholecruise/status/1394367734599856134?s=21 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehogan Posted May 17, 2021 #44 Share Posted May 17, 2021 No vaccine mandate? No cruises for us. Will cancel our three upcoming Princess cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwing55 Posted May 17, 2021 #45 Share Posted May 17, 2021 58 minutes ago, ehogan said: No vaccine mandate? No cruises for us. Will cancel our three upcoming Princess cruises. Clearly there are more than you in this mindset. But then I'm curious, do you avoid all other activities then? Eating out, movies, sporting events, plays, etc? So will you get off the ship and go on excursions? I know, I'm more risk averse than many, but I also wonder if the media and others have inflated fears about this. True, it can be a deadly virus, but on 2019, so was the flu. as well as a bunch of other diseases. Just looking for perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocl Posted May 17, 2021 #46 Share Posted May 17, 2021 On 5/15/2021 at 8:55 AM, ontheweb said: Hmmm. The statement in there that I find interesting is the international travelers arriving in the US are RECOMMENDED to be tested 3-5 days after arrival, including those who are fully vaccinated. They could have said REQUIRED instead of RECOMMENDED. They could have also made it a recommendation for those vaccinated and a requirement for those not vaccinated. Keep in mind that the document and the recommendation are for the cruise lines. The cruise line protocols (which may or may not include the recommended items) will be reviewed in total. So a recommendation in this context means that a cruise line does not have to do it, but they better have something else in their protocols that would make that testing unnecessary. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocl Posted May 17, 2021 #47 Share Posted May 17, 2021 4 hours ago, K.T.B. said: Said it before, say it again: State law can cannot override federal law. US government handles the ports. If federal law states that cruise lines must check if you've been vaccinated, Florida is SOL. Granted, at this point, there is no such federal law. Yes and no. It is clear that the feds control the rules dealing with international ships entering the US and docking at ports. However, the ports in Florida are either owned by the state or by local government. Those agencies also run the ports, not an agency of the federal government. There are cases where State and local agencies have prevented ships from docking (the Grand in California is a good example). Also note that ships in port follow state law when it comes to things like sales taxes and in Texas state liquor laws. So clearly state laws can impact ships operations in port. The state and/or local agency could make a decision to shutdown a port. Clearly once a ship has left port the state would have no influence. But it is rather unclear if a cruise line, operating in a port, checking vaccination status of passengers while in port could do so or not. It will make for a rather interesting court case that could run the range from states rights, to the commerce clause, to maritime law and treaties. Unfortunately, as much as I would like the cruise lines require vaccination, this could make a very interesting fight that could take some time working its way through the court system if the cruise lines do try and challenge the California law. Also wonder if the cruise lines might use this as a reason why they will not require vaccination for cruises from the US and try the strategy with the CDC that state law prevents it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
memoak Posted May 17, 2021 #48 Share Posted May 17, 2021 28 minutes ago, nocl said: Yes and no. It is clear that the feds control the rules dealing with international ships entering the US and docking at ports. However, the ports in Florida are either owned by the state or by local government. Those agencies also run the ports, not an agency of the federal government. There are cases where State and local agencies have prevented ships from docking (the Grand in California is a good example). Also note that ships in port follow state law when it comes to things like sales taxes and in Texas state liquor laws. So clearly state laws can impact ships operations in port. The state and/or local agency could make a decision to shutdown a port. Clearly once a ship has left port the state would have no influence. But it is rather unclear if a cruise line, operating in a port, checking vaccination status of passengers while in port could do so or not. It will make for a rather interesting court case that could run the range from states rights, to the commerce clause, to maritime law and treaties. Unfortunately, as much as I would like the cruise lines require vaccination, this could make a very interesting fight that could take some time working its way through the court system if the cruise lines do try and challenge the California law. Also wonder if the cruise lines might use this as a reason why they will not require vaccination for cruises from the US and try the strategy with the CDC that state law prevents it. The risk of non vaccinated passengers who refuse to mask getting sick would be too much for a cruise line to risk. Could mean the end of that cruise line 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nocl Posted May 17, 2021 #49 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Just now, memoak said: The risk of non vaccinated passengers who refuse to mask getting sick would be too much for a cruise line to risk. Could mean the end of that cruise line One would think so but unfortunately the cruise lines do not seem to be in a hurry to commit to requiring vaccination for cruises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare oskidunker Posted May 17, 2021 #50 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 minute ago, memoak said: The risk of non vaccinated passengers who refuse to mask getting sick would be too much for a cruise line to risk. Could mean the end of that cruise line I would not sail if proof of vaccine not required. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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