Rare ontheweb Posted May 28, 2021 #1 Share Posted May 28, 2021 DHS secretary: 'We're taking a very close look at' vaccine passports (msn.com) Note this would not be for internal travel, just for international travel. They are considering it to make it easier for US citizens to travel to other countries that may have vaccine requirements. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zekekelso Posted May 28, 2021 #2 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I sure hope this comes true and politics doesn’t kill it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul929207 Posted May 28, 2021 #3 Share Posted May 28, 2021 excellent idea 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted May 28, 2021 #4 Share Posted May 28, 2021 I support the concept. I see no need for a re-invention of something that already exists. The Yellow Folder that has been used for decades to show proof of vaccination. It meets the Secretary's desire to make whatever is "developed" is available for all Americans. While most of us have smartphones that could handle some kind of a proof of vaccination app, some of us don't. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare SRQbeachgirl Posted May 28, 2021 #5 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Well, they started walking that back pretty fast... "A DHS spokesperson later on Friday clarified Mayorkas' comments, saying that there will be no "federal mandate" for vaccine passports in the U.S." https://www.axios.com/biden-covid-vaccine-passport-mayorkas-travel-546fec90-3b6d-4d84-afff-64c1514ad295.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pudgesmom Posted May 28, 2021 #6 Share Posted May 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said: Well, they started walking that back pretty fast... "A DHS spokesperson later on Friday clarified Mayorkas' comments, saying that there will be no "federal mandate" for vaccine passports in the U.S." https://www.axios.com/biden-covid-vaccine-passport-mayorkas-travel-546fec90-3b6d-4d84-afff-64c1514ad295.html It does not say they are "walking back" the idea of an international vaccine passport, only domestic. I hope they have it for international. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted May 28, 2021 #7 Share Posted May 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said: Well, they started walking that back pretty fast... "A DHS spokesperson later on Friday clarified Mayorkas' comments, saying that there will be no "federal mandate" for vaccine passports in the U.S." https://www.axios.com/biden-covid-vaccine-passport-mayorkas-travel-546fec90-3b6d-4d84-afff-64c1514ad295.html Any among us surprised? We probably have a good idea as to what "ought to be done......but, do we dare do it"? It's almost like a dance: take one step forward, then two steps back, and repeat and repeat and.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare mom says Posted May 28, 2021 #8 Share Posted May 28, 2021 23 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said: Well, they started walking that back pretty fast... I wouldn't call that walking it back. Did you read the article linked by the OP? It clearly said that it wouldn't be mandated, but would be available for international travellers going to countries that required proof of vaccination. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare SRQbeachgirl Posted May 28, 2021 #9 Share Posted May 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, mom says said: I wouldn't call that walking it back. Did you read the article linked by the OP? It clearly said that it wouldn't be mandated, but would be available for international travellers going to countries that required proof of vaccination. I did, but it seems that many people are worried that any federal vaccine passport will become mandatory in order to travel anywhere. It has also become routine that anytime a government official makes a statement, another government official has to later "clarify" the original statement. Not that it surprises me, since I work for the government and deal on a daily basis with the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing or saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted May 28, 2021 #10 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, SRQbeachgirl said: I did, but it seems that many people are worried that any federal vaccine passport will become mandatory in order to travel anywhere. As did I read the statement and I agree with what you said. There are those who do not want the Federal government to have any record of who did or did not accept the vaccine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted May 28, 2021 #11 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, rkacruiser said: As did I read the statement and I agree with what you said. There are those who do not want the Federal government to have any record of who did or did not accept the vaccine. That is ok as long as they do not plan to travel to any Country that requires proof of the vaccine I would welcome it if our Government would digitally attach it to our passport similar to VISAs that some Countries require YMMV 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donald Posted May 28, 2021 #12 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, rkacruiser said: I support the concept. I see no need for a re-invention of something that already exists. The Yellow Folder that has been used for decades to show proof of vaccination. It meets the Secretary's desire to make whatever is "developed" is available for all Americans. While most of us have smartphones that could handle some kind of a proof of vaccination app, some of us don't. Japanese government announced yesterday their new app for vaccine proof and tracking while visiting the country. A smartphone is required to use the app. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkacruiser Posted May 28, 2021 #13 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 hour ago, Donald said: Japanese government announced yesterday their new app for vaccine proof and tracking while visiting the country. A smartphone is required to use the app. That is what concerns me. 2 hours ago, LHT28 said: I would welcome it if our Government would digitally attach it to our passport similar to VISAs that some Countries require OK with me. The current issue for those of us in the United States is that it would require massive numbers of new passports to be issued. Because of the 2020 closure of the Passport Offices, there are already significant backlogs of applications for new and renewal passports. Why does it seem to me that the old KISS philosophy lacks respect? If the Yellow Vaccination Certificate worked before, it would work now. Keep It Simple Stupid! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philob Posted May 29, 2021 #14 Share Posted May 29, 2021 39 minutes ago, rkacruiser said: Why does it seem to me that the old KISS philosophy lacks respect? If the Yellow Vaccination Certificate worked before, it would work now. Keep It Simple Stupid! 'Cause somebody with a lot of shares of a MEGA data management company wouldn't mind seeing their shares go up a point or two 😎 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilikeanswers Posted May 29, 2021 #15 Share Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, rkacruiser said: Why does it seem to me that the old KISS philosophy lacks respect? If the Yellow Vaccination Certificate worked before, it would work now. Keep It Simple Stupid! Forgery. Digital is seen as less likely to be forged. Even Nigeria has been moving the Yellow Fever Certificate to a digital platform because of a spate of counterfeit certificates. How Will Digital Yellow Card Certificates Track COVID-19 Immunizations? Edited May 29, 2021 by ilikeanswers 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lissie Posted May 29, 2021 #16 Share Posted May 29, 2021 2 hours ago, rkacruiser said: That is what concerns me. I think its excellent news. They won't be the only country - travel between Australia and NZ has only just restarted - and you need to download the relevant app for you to track you movements in the country. You don't need to have a data plan jut a smart phone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynnTTT Posted May 29, 2021 #17 Share Posted May 29, 2021 5 hours ago, rkacruiser said: As did I read the statement and I agree with what you said. There are those who do not want the Federal government to have any record of who did or did not accept the vaccine. Hospitals/clinics etc , wherever someone got the vaccine reports the numbers to a higher authority and could provide the names. The federal government could easily get the names of all those vaccinated and therefore if your name isn't on the list it could be assumed you aren't vaccinated. I travel a great deal and it would make it very handy to have that verified. Similar to having to show proof of smallpox vaccinations in the not too distant past. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted May 29, 2021 #18 Share Posted May 29, 2021 3 hours ago, rkacruiser said: Why does it seem to me that the old KISS philosophy lacks respect? If the Yellow Vaccination Certificate worked before, it would work now. Keep It Simple Stupid! My yellow card anyone can write dates or vaccine type on it not sure if the USA have a more secure one or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare cruisemom42 Posted May 29, 2021 #19 Share Posted May 29, 2021 4 hours ago, rkacruiser said: Why does it seem to me that the old KISS philosophy lacks respect? If the Yellow Vaccination Certificate worked before, it would work now. Keep It Simple Stupid! Unfortunately we live in an age where honesty is no longer popular and ethics is derisively referred to as "virtue signalling" (or worse). The simple truth is that those cards of yore are MUCH too easily forged and a more secure system is required. What's the big deal about getting a smart phone? It's ultimately just one more thing you'll need to travel, if not to use in daily life. I imagine sometime, somewhere, at some time in the past there was someone saying "Why do I need a suitcase to travel? I can just stuff my things in a pillowcase..." 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
middlehaitch Posted May 29, 2021 #20 Share Posted May 29, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, rkacruiser said: That is what concerns me. OK with me. The current issue for those of us in the United States is that it would require massive numbers of new passports to be issued. Because of the 2020 closure of the Passport Offices, there are already significant backlogs of applications for new and renewal passports. Why does it seem to me that the old KISS philosophy lacks respect? If the Yellow Vaccination Certificate worked before, it would work now. Keep It Simple Stupid! There would be no reason to reissue passports. It would be an online form that would filled out and then the info would be digitally attached to your 'chipped' passport. All that would probably be needed is a digital positive marker, no health info. (It could, going forward, be part of a passport application, but that makes updating for boosters, or other vaccines more problematic) Kind of like when I travel to the USA using my UK passport. I fill out the info on line, it is approved within 48hr, then there is a digital 'esta' approval attached to my passport, no paper version issued. I renew it biannually. If booster shots are needed for covid, you would just update online. The problem is all countries would have to agree to the method used for reading the info when entering a country. Cheers, h. Edited May 29, 2021 by middlehaitch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanger727 Posted May 29, 2021 #21 Share Posted May 29, 2021 11 hours ago, rkacruiser said: Why does it seem to me that the old KISS philosophy lacks respect? If the Yellow Vaccination Certificate worked before, it would work now. Keep It Simple Stupid! I don’t have a yellow vaccination certificate. I suppose if they decided that this was the ‘vaccine passport’ I could get one. But since I have already gotten my vaccine, then either my doctor or I would have to fill the entry out for the Covid vaccine. I got my vaccine from the health department. My doctor doesn’t know I got it other than self reporting. So this is basically going to depend 100% on self reporting. What’s the point then? Just ask someone if they had the vaccine. A digital vaccine passport where whoever logs your entry verifies that you did have the vaccine would be far more secure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare BoozinCroozin Posted May 29, 2021 #22 Share Posted May 29, 2021 For those of us less in the know as an adult, how do I get my vaccination records from 48 years ago? My pediatrician and his practice are long deceased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2wheelin Posted May 29, 2021 #23 Share Posted May 29, 2021 10 hours ago, lissie said: I think its excellent news. They won't be the only country - travel between Australia and NZ has only just restarted - and you need to download the relevant app for you to track you movements in the country. You don't need to have a data plan jut a smart phone Maybe airports and cruise ports could rent out smart phones for your trip. 📱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rare LHT28 Posted May 29, 2021 #24 Share Posted May 29, 2021 9 hours ago, cruisemom42 said: What's the big deal about getting a smart phone? It's ultimately just one more thing you'll need to travel, if not to use in daily life. We rarely use a cell phone so why would I spend $$ to get a smart phone plus the data charges here in Canada are very expensive YMMV 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shipgeeks Posted May 29, 2021 #25 Share Posted May 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, LHT28 said: We rarely use a cell phone so why would I spend $$ to get a smart phone plus the data charges here in Canada are very expensive YMMV Exactly. Our cell phones have not been turned on for 14 months now. Now that we're retired and not commuting, we only used them for calling the shuttle after a cruise. Is there a smart phone in the US without monthly charges? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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