Itemised daily cost breakdown for cruise costs?

[IndiaCruising]

Hello cruise friends! I am currently searching for cruises and am very excited. However I have a slight issue. My company pays for the travel portion (eg airfare, train, etc) of my vacation but not food, amenities, etc. 

 

I’m struggling to get a cruise company to give me a price breakdown of the total fare. For example, if my total cruise fare is $5000 I need to know what part of that is the transport equivalent. Does anyone have experience getting this price breakdown from a cruise company?? Please help experts!! Thank you in advance :-)

[clo]

I just have to know why they pay for this!!!!!

 

As far as your question I doubt that it's doable.  Even on an airplane with meal service, blankets, etc. it seems impossible.  On a ship you're looking for what it costs per person to run the ship.  And then another cost for your room.  Another for the pool, casino,etc.  I'd be shocked to know that this is possible to calculate.  AND if it is I doubt that they would tell you.

[JimnKaren]

I think that Clo did a great job of explaining.

Think about your car...how much of the operating cost is petroleum vs. tire wear vs. windshield washer solution vs. oil (and changing it) vs. transmission expense. I cannot be broken down without a significant study by someone smarter than the average person.

 

And...welcome to Cruise Critic.

 

Jim

[clo]

16 minutes ago, JimnKaren said:

I think that Clo did a great job of explaining.

Think about your car...how much of the operating cost is petroleum vs. tire wear vs. windshield washer solution vs. oil (and changing it) vs. transmission expense. I cannot be broken down without a significant study by someone smarter than the average person.

 

And...welcome to Cruise Critic.

 

Jim

Much better analogy.

[denmarks]

That is impossible. A cruise is not transportation. I see no way to break it down and the cruise line is not going to tell you.

[leaveitallbehind]

 

 

First of all if you mean transportation to the ship itself, that would be an obvious separate charge based on your cost to get there.  And if that were to be included in your cruise fare, that allocation would be easy to determine - the cruise line would tell you what they are allowing for airfare.

 

But to me, at least, you need to qualify your question more clearly.  If you mean transportation in the sense of the ship transporting you on your itinerary, that is a completely different matter and a question that is virtually impossible to answer.  The cruise fare for transporting you on your cruise is a determination of the overall cost to operate the ship for a given itinerary - which includes fuel costs, labor costs (officers and crew), supplies (food, beverage, etc.), amortization costs of the ship itself, entertainment, apportioned corporate overhead (land side management), ship insurance, targeted profit margin, etc., etc., etc., - divided by the passenger capacity at double occupancy. 

 

How would anyone determine what portion of that is somehow a reimbursable travel expense for you? I have never heard of that being asked, or of any cruise line providing - if they were able - any type of answer that would address it.  I also never have heard of any company that would reimburse such an apportioned cost.  Airfare, or other travel expense - perhaps. 

 

In other words, what portion of your cruise is the transportation equivalent?  All of it! 

 

Again, need clarity - am I missing something?

Edited September 26, 2019 by leaveitallbehind

[capriccio]

Think of the cruise ship as the equivalent to the hotel/resort where you spend a land vacation similar to an all-inclusive resort.

[donaldsc]

49 minutes ago, leaveitallbehind said:

 

 

First of all if you mean transportation to the ship itself, that would be an obvious separate charge based on your cost to get there.  And if that were to be included in your cruise fare, that allocation would be easy to determine - the cruise line would tell you what they are allowing for airfare.

 

But to me, at least, you need to qualify your question more clearly.  If you mean transportation in the sense of the ship transporting you on your itinerary, that is a completely different matter and a question that is virtually impossible to answer.  The cruise fare for transporting you on your cruise is a determination of the overall cost to operate the ship for a given itinerary - which includes fuel costs, labor costs (officers and crew), supplies (food, beverage, etc.), amortization costs of the ship itself, entertainment, apportioned corporate overhead (land side management), ship insurance, targeted profit margin, etc., etc., etc., - divided by the passenger capacity at double occupancy. 

 

How would anyone determine what portion of that is somehow a reimbursable travel expense for you? I have never heard of that being asked, or of any cruise line providing - if they were able - any type of answer that would address it.  I also never have heard of any company that would reimburse such an apportioned cost.  Airfare, or other travel expense - perhaps. 

 

In other words, what portion of your cruise is the transportation equivalent?  All of it! 

 

Again, need clarity - am I missing something?

 

+1 on this response.   I have to believe that the OP realized that his question was ridiculous.

 

DON

[1025cruise]

How do you get your employer to pay for a cruise? I need ideas.

[clo]

1 hour ago, 1025cruise said:

How do you get your employer to pay for a cruise? I need ideas.

Yeah, or any part of a vacay 🙂

[Hlitner]

It actually is a fascinating question.  We should note that it is the first CC post for this person which is also kind of interesting.   I would believe that the OP is "struggling" to get any kind of detailed breakdown of payments from a cruise line.  If that information exists it would certainly be very closely held proprietary information.  But it is very unlikely there would be any kind of breakdown that separated "transportation" from other expenses.  That would not be the way a cost accountant would do the calculation.  They would allocate Fixed costs such as debt service and depreciation and then build the cost by adding in the allocated costs related to other items such as food, entertainment, fuel, etc.  Transportation would not even be an acceptable cost accounting category.  Just imagine trying to determine how to allocate staff costs between "transportation" and non-transportation (or whatever you want to call it).

 

Hank

 

 

[Sancho_proudfoot]

If ever such s breakdown was obtained, it would surely lead to passengers saying " l didn't go in the casino, so deduct that bit" " l didn't attend any shows in the theatre, deduct that bit" " l didn't have any laundry done, so deduct the cost of the laundry staff and running costs".

[nascarcruiser]

18 hours ago, IndiaCruising said:

Hello cruise friends! I am currently searching for cruises and am very excited. However I have a slight issue. My company pays for the travel portion (eg airfare, train, etc) of my vacation but not food, amenities, etc. 

 

I’m struggling to get a cruise company to give me a price breakdown of the total fare. For example, if my total cruise fare is $5000 I need to know what part of that is the transport equivalent. Does anyone have experience getting this price breakdown from a cruise company?? Please help experts!! Thank you in advance 🙂

You likely aren't going to find that but it would be interesting to see.  I agree it would lead to people wanting certain items removed from their fare if they don't use it ie casino and shows

[leaveitallbehind]

56 minutes ago, nascarcruiser said:

You likely aren't going to find that but it would be interesting to see.  I agree it would lead to people wanting certain items removed from their fare if they don't use it ie casino and shows

Why?  You would like to see the internal accounting operations ledger as to how the cruise lines allocate their internal costs and what those are as their management tool for running their business and determining their pricing and profit margin?  If you own a business, would you share that with a perfect stranger?  Or your own personal finances?  Sorry, but I don't get it.

 

To me, the OP's question makes no sense and is essentially impossible to answer, even if the cruise lines (or any other business for that matter) were willing to try to do so.  But if they are a publicly traded company, so just look at their annual report.  That would be as close as anyone could get - or should get - to that information.  But that still won't answer the question the OP is trying to get.

Edited September 27, 2019 by leaveitallbehind

[CruisingAlong4Now]

I think I think this will turn into a quagmire as people have different definitions of transportation. Is it the journey or the destination?

[nascarcruiser]

24 minutes ago, leaveitallbehind said:

Why?  You would like to see the internal accounting operations ledger as to how the cruise lines allocate their internal costs and what those are as their management tool for running their business and determining their pricing and profit margin?  If you own a business, would you share that with a perfect stranger?  Or your own personal finances?  Sorry, but I don't get it.

 

To me, the OP's question makes no sense and is essentially impossible to answer, even if the cruise lines (or any other business for that matter) were willing to try to do so.  But if they are a publicly traded company, so just look at their annual report.  That would be as close as anyone could get - or should get - to that information.  But that still won't answer the question the OP is trying to get.

I just think it might be interesting to see how much of the fare is allocated to what but I also know it won't happen 

[leaveitallbehind]

5 minutes ago, nascarcruiser said:

I just think it might be interesting to see how much of the fare is allocated to what but I also know it won't happen 

 

Well I highly doubt that any of it would be allocated to anything called "transport" as the OP is seeking.  Sorry, but I think knowing what part of the fare is allocated to what is about as interesting as reading the dictionary.  Besides, it's none of our business.

 

Nothing personal - just my opinion.

Edited September 27, 2019 by leaveitallbehind

[navybankerteacher]

11 hours ago, clo said:

Yeah, or any part of a vacay 🙂

I suppose a privately owned company might allow a family member who was travelling on company business to select mode of transportation: say from Los Angeles to a business meeting in Miami.  That member is willing to use some vacation time if the mode chosen  takes longer than the most quick.  The options would one day travel time by plane at $500, three days travel time by train at $2500, four days travel time by bus at $225, or 15 days by ship via Panama Canal at $6000.

 

The company would only pick up the cost which did not exceed the most economic - 

that might explain why the pure transportation cost would matter —- but since it would be so simple to just pick up the cheapest (hopefully excluding the abusive bus trip) the analysis requested would be unnecessary.

[Essiesmom]

If the ship was operating as a ferry, such as the many ferries and cruise ferries in Europe, where everything is a la carte, it would be possible.  There, you pay for passage, perhaps an airline type seat is included, a cabin is extra, and food/drink are extra.  But a cruise ship is not a ferry.  It is offering a semi-inclusive product and they are not going to break it down for you.  EM

[leaveitallbehind]

30 minutes ago, Essiesmom said:

If the ship was operating as a ferry, such as the many ferries and cruise ferries in Europe, where everything is a la carte, it would be possible.  There, you pay for passage, perhaps an airline type seat is included, a cabin is extra, and food/drink are extra.  But a cruise ship is not a ferry.  It is offering a semi-inclusive product and they are not going to break it down for you.  EM

 

In addition, what type of business travel would support a closed loop circuit on a cruise ship unless, perhaps, one (or more) of the ports of call was a location where that individual would be conducting business. In which case, wouldn't the whole cruise be a travel expense?  If so, where do I apply??

 

While possible, it seems like a stretch......

Edited September 27, 2019 by leaveitallbehind

[CPT Trips]

[evandbob]

17 hours ago, JimnKaren said:

I think that Clo did a great job of explaining.

Think about your car...how much of the operating cost is petroleum vs. tire wear vs. windshield washer solution vs. oil (and changing it) vs. transmission expense. I cannot be broken down without a significant study by someone smarter than the average person.

 

And...welcome to Cruise Critic.

 

Jim

The IRS allows a business deduction based on mileage if someone uses a personal car while doing employee business.  It is currently set at 0.58 cents per mile.

[ldubs]

On 9/27/2019 at 5:29 AM, navybankerteacher said:

I suppose a privately owned company might allow a family member who was travelling on company business to select mode of transportation: say from Los Angeles to a business meeting in Miami.  That member is willing to use some vacation time if the mode chosen  takes longer than the most quick.  The options would one day travel time by plane at $500, three days travel time by train at $2500, four days travel time by bus at $225, or 15 days by ship via Panama Canal at $6000.

 

The company would only pick up the cost which did not exceed the most economic - 

that might explain why the pure transportation cost would matter —- but since it would be so simple to just pick up the cheapest (hopefully excluding the abusive bus trip) the analysis requested would be unnecessary.

 

I think this may be close to the point.  Employees sometimes opt to stay with family or friends when traveling on business.  We had a flat amount we would reimburse for lodging and food in those cases.  If someone wanted to use a cruise combined with vacation time to get to a business meeting, I don't think I would have a problem reimbursing up to what the airfare would have been.  All assuming the job is getting done of course.   

[leaveitallbehind]

1 hour ago, ldubs said:

 

I think this may be close to the point.  Employees sometimes opt to stay with family or friends when traveling on business.  We had a flat amount we would reimburse for lodging and food in those cases.  If someone wanted to use a cruise combined with vacation time to get to a business meeting, I don't think I would have a problem reimbursing up to what the airfare would have been.  All assuming the job is getting done of course.   

 

First of all, the OP never indicated any business reason associated with the cruise - only that there would be some sort of reimbursement related to it and travel.  So any deduction such as this would be pure speculation not based on any facts presented.

 

Second, if it were for transit to a business meeting, this analogy would assume a one way cruise that would most likely depart from a port in or near the OP's home, and terminate in a port in or near the location of the business meeting.  And, again, the OP did not provide any of this information either or indicate whether the cruise was a closed circuit or one way, so again, pure speculation.  And BTW, there was no mention of any travel considerations for a return trip, which, at least to me, would indicate a closed loop cruise in consideration.  

 

Note also that the OP has not returned to their thread to clarify their question, add any additional information to help us respond, or even acknowledge that we have responded.  So I think the more likely point to be reached is that this thread is bogus based on a ridiculous proposition that has only succeeded in a lot of respondents wasting their time answering - myself included. 

 

Not disrespecting anybody here, just sayin'.....

Edited September 30, 2019 by leaveitallbehind

[ldubs]

22 minutes ago, leaveitallbehind said:

 

First of all, the OP never indicated any business reason associated with the cruise - only that there would be some sort of reimbursement related to it and travel.  So any deduction such as this would be pure speculation not based on any facts presented.

 

Second, if it were for transit to a business meeting, this analogy would assume a one way cruise that would most likely depart from a port in or near the OP's home, and terminate in a port in or near the location of the business meeting.  And, again, the OP did not provide any of this information either or indicate whether the cruise was a closed circuit or one way, so again, pure speculation.  And BTW, there was no mention of any travel considerations for a return trip, which, at least to me, would indicate a closed loop cruise in consideration.  

 

Note also that the OP has not returned to their thread to clarify their question, add any additional information to help us respond, or even acknowledge that we have responded.  So I think the more likely point to be reached is that this thread is bogus based on a ridiculous proposition that has only succeeded in a lot of respondents wasting their time answering - myself included. 

 

Not disrespecting anybody here, just sayin'.....

 

So true.  I have no idea what the OP is doing. I was simply commenting on why a business might pay for what would look like someone's vacation travel.  

 

Anyway, seems I've seen folks throw out some figures on daily per passenger food costs.  If I remember correctly, the number(s) were a lot lower than I would have guessed.