Will U.S. Passengers Comply with the Covid Requirements On Board?

[paul929207]

Airlines seem to be succeeding. If a passenger removes their mask after take off, they are put on a list of those who cannot fly with that airline. On the news the other night they said that Delta has 460 on their list. 

Another airline (United?) said people who have a medical problem with wearing a mask should find another mode of transportation.

[2wheelin]

1 hour ago, paul929207 said:

Airlines seem to be succeeding. If a passenger removes their mask after take off, they are put on a list of those who cannot fly with that airline. On the news the other night they said that Delta has 460 on their list. 

Another airline (United?) said people who have a medical problem with wearing a mask should find another mode of transportation.

Only a technicality but someone who has not flown could take it literally. You may remove your mask at appropriate times (eating/drinking). It is the refusal to replace it that could cause you a problem. On a side note: Delta does seat strangers in adjacent seats on the smaller planes with two seats to a row.

[slidergirl]

On 10/26/2020 at 1:09 PM, ontheweb said:

I would say any disease that interferes with one's breathing.

I was at my hair stylist yesterday.  She and one other stylist were working that day to keep distancing.  The other stylist had a older worman come in.  This woman had a nasal canula and her portable oxygen machine.  AND SHE WORE A MASK.  She was in there the same amount of time I was - a good hour.  So, she had no problem wearing a mask, even though she has breathing problems. 

[chengkp75]

3 hours ago, paul929207 said:

Airlines seem to be succeeding. If a passenger removes their mask after take off, they are put on a list of those who cannot fly with that airline. On the news the other night they said that Delta has 460 on their list. 

Another airline (United?) said people who have a medical problem with wearing a mask should find another mode of transportation.

And, yet, there are those who take their mask off to eat or drink, which is allowed, and leave it off, eating one peanut whenever a crewmember walks past.

[cruizergal70]

5 hours ago, chengkp75 said:

And, yet, there are those who take their mask off to eat or drink, which is allowed, and leave it off, eating one peanut whenever a crewmember walks past.

Yeah. I'm envisioning people using their masks as chin straps to get around the requirements. Then the mask police (which I agree with) will say something, fights will ensue.  I hope I'm wrong.

[bigrednole]

I have a very strong feeling that the cruise lines will be serious about it. This is their livelihood. They can't afford for people onboard not to follow the rules. I would suspect that there will be a placement on one of the earliest sailings. A young couple maybe that get dumped at a port and not permitted to board. Let the media run with the engineered story to get the point across. The cruise line can plant the couple knowing they are going to get dumped in say Cozumel and have to find their own way home. It would be cheap, set the tone, create a story the media would love, and get the CDC to think they are serious as well.

[K32682]

5 hours ago, bigrednole said:

I have a very strong feeling that the cruise lines will be serious about it. This is their livelihood. They can't afford for people onboard not to follow the rules. I would suspect that there will be a placement on one of the earliest sailings. A young couple maybe that get dumped at a port and not permitted to board. Let the media run with the engineered story to get the point across. The cruise line can plant the couple knowing they are going to get dumped in say Cozumel and have to find their own way home. It would be cheap, set the tone, create a story the media would love, and get the CDC to think they are serious as well.

 

The cruise company won't need to plant the story.  There will be at least one anti-mask moron who refuses to follow the rules who can be tossed off.  

[2wheelin]

6 hours ago, bigrednole said:

I have a very strong feeling that the cruise lines will be serious about it. This is their livelihood. They can't afford for people onboard not to follow the rules. I would suspect that there will be a placement on one of the earliest sailings. A young couple maybe that get dumped at a port and not permitted to board. Let the media run with the engineered story to get the point across. The cruise line can plant the couple knowing they are going to get dumped in say Cozumel and have to find their own way home. It would be cheap, set the tone, create a story the media would love, and get the CDC to think they are serious as well.

I think there is enough “media engineering” in this country without suggesting companies purposely add to it. Wouldn’t it be nice to go back to a time when news was news and not “journalism/opinion” and “you can’t believe everything you read” was a rarely needed comment. 

[sverigecruiser]

2 hours ago, K32682 said:

 

The cruise company won't need to plant the story.  There will be at least one anti-mask moron who refuses to follow the rules who can be tossed off.  

 

People who don't want to wear a mask on their cruise shall not cruise until masks aren't mandatory anymore. That's the way I will do it.

[navybankerteacher]

6 minutes ago, sverigecruiser said:

 

People who don't want to wear a mask on their cruise shall not cruise until masks aren't mandatory anymore. That's the way I will do it.

Of course, that is the way intelligent and responsible people will do it. However - reading these boards indicates that there are a fair number of people who simply do not believe that COVID is a real threat, or that they might be at risk, or that they have an obligation to "play by the rules" if they do not like the rules.

 

Suppose just, say, 3% percent fall into that category -- on a ship carrying just 2,000 passengers that would be 60 non compliers.

[FredT]

9 minutes ago, navybankerteacher said:

Of course, that is the way intelligent and responsible people will do it. However - reading these boards indicates that there are a fair number of people who simply do not believe that COVID is a real threat, or that they might be at risk, or that they have an obligation to "play by the rules" if they do not like the rules.

 

Suppose just, say, 3% percent fall into that category -- on a ship carrying just 2,000 passengers that would be 60 non compliers.

LOL... Add booze to the equation and you are up to about 6%.....   (Just saying!  😁

[navybankerteacher]

55 minutes ago, 2wheelin said:

I think there is enough “media engineering” in this country without suggesting companies purposely add to it. Wouldn’t it be nice to go back to a time when news was news and not “journalism/opinion” and “you can’t believe everything you read” was a rarely needed comment. 

I think it was back in the early 1970's that Geraldo Rivera came out as an practitioner of "Advocacy Journalism"  (which can only be seen as political pamphleteering).  I was disgusted when none of the "mainstream" sources of what then was somewhat objective reporting: ABC, NBC, CBS, et al, failed to point out that as soon as you became an advocate,  you stopped being an objective reporter of fact.

 

 

[cruizergal70]

1 hour ago, sverigecruiser said:

 

People who don't want to wear a mask on their cruise shall not cruise until masks aren't mandatory anymore. That's the way I will do it.

There will be many anti-maskers that will read the requirements,  laugh them off, and still choose to cruise. They will dare the staff to make them wear a mask. 

[sverigecruiser]

1 hour ago, navybankerteacher said:

Of course, that is the way intelligent and responsible people will do it. However - reading these boards indicates that there are a fair number of people who simply do not believe that COVID is a real threat, or that they might be at risk, or that they have an obligation to "play by the rules" if they do not like the rules.

 

Suppose just, say, 3% percent fall into that category -- on a ship carrying just 2,000 passengers that would be 60 non compliers.

 

I think that people shall follow rules even if they don't like them and don't agree with them. I will not wear a mask if I don't have to but if there is a rule that a mask must be worn I will do it unless I can avoid that situation, for example NOT cruise.

 

Rulebreakers must get some kind of punishment for not following the rules.  

[sverigecruiser]

36 minutes ago, cruizergal70 said:

There will be many anti-maskers that will read the requirements,  laugh them off, and still choose to cruise. They will dare the staff to make them wear a mask. 

 

If masks are still required when cruising starts in a bigger scale the cruiselines will hopefully employ "rulefollow polices" which job is to make sure that people follow the rules. If people don't listen to them they shall be able to lock them in until they can be escorted off the ship. 

[mom says]

58 minutes ago, sverigecruiser said:

 

If masks are still required when cruising starts in a bigger scale the cruiselines will hopefully employ "rulefollow polices" which job is to make sure that people follow the rules. If people don't listen to them they shall be able to lock them in until they can be escorted off the ship. 

I would think that job would be part of the regular duties of the existing security personnel. Heaven help us all if the rule breaking is so rife that they need to employ additional "police". However,  I suspect security will be very busy doing just that

Edited November 2, 2020 by mom says

[c-boy]

1 hour ago, cruizergal70 said:

There will be many anti-maskers that will read the requirements,  laugh them off, and still choose to cruise. They will dare the staff to make them wear a mask. 

Ya think so ? Kind of a confined environment and select crowd to push boundaries trying to be a rebel . No place to run, no place to hide. 

Edited November 2, 2020 by c-boy

[sverigecruiser]

2 hours ago, mom says said:

I would think that job would be part of the regular duties of the existing security personnel. Heaven help us all if the rule breaking is so rife that they need to employ additional "police". However,  I suspect security will be very busy doing just that

 

I don't think that the existing security personnel are many enough and they also have other duties to focus on. To give the existing personnel extra duties which may take much of their time is seldom a good idea.   

[sail7seas]

Will all guests from   EU,   Great  Britain,  fromCanada, Australia  etc  abide by all the rules?

Edited November 2, 2020 by sail7seas

[sfaaa]

4 hours ago, cruizergal70 said:

There will be many anti-maskers that will read the requirements,  laugh them off, and still choose to cruise. They will dare the staff to make them wear a mask. 

Like on an airplane or at supermarket. Yeah very plausible unfortunately.

[Honolulu Blue]

32 minutes ago, sail7seas said:

Will all guests from   EU,   Great  Britain,  fromCanada, Australia  etc  abide by all the rules?

 

A better question (IMHO) would be will guests from those areas be allowed on these cruises at all.  I don't see any sign that their bans/quarantines/restrictions on entry to the U.S. are being lifted any time soon.

[mom says]

41 minutes ago, sail7seas said:

Will all guests from   EU,   Great  Britain,  fromCanada, Australia  etc  abide by all the rules?

There won't be many pax from these countries, if any, sailing out of the US any time soon, so your question is moot. But from what I've read elsewhere , I think they are, as a whole, more likely to be compliant.

Edited November 2, 2020 by mom says

[pc_load_letter]

38 minutes ago, sfaaa said:

Like on an airplane or at supermarket. Yeah very plausible unfortunately.

 

Meh, I don't believe masks do ***** but I will gladly wear one to take a cruise.

 

[Philob]

5 hours ago, cruizergal70 said:

There will be many anti-maskers that will read the requirements,  laugh them off, and still choose to cruise. They will dare the staff to make them wear a mask. 

SWMBO works at a very busy medical facility here in the city. Medical staff, below MD's, are require to work a few hours a month at the front door to do CV screening prior to entry. Her dept. is by the front door and says at least once a week someone will try to walk-by the screeners or refuse to wear a mask.

 

In April someone refused to wear a mask sucker punched the hospital security guard before running off. The guard spent the night in ICU. They have since "beefed" up security with NFL linemen at the three facilities they operate. 

[SelectSys]

15 hours ago, bigrednole said:

I have a very strong feeling that the cruise lines will be serious about it. This is their livelihood. They can't afford for people onboard not to follow the rules.

 

This is what I believe.  Tempt the lines at your peril.

 

7 hours ago, navybankerteacher said:

 "play by the rules"

 

These rules will be all spelled out as part of the cruise lines contract including what happens if you break them.

 

5 hours ago, cruizergal70 said:

There will be many anti-maskers that will read the requirements,  laugh them off, and still choose to cruise. They will dare the staff to make them wear a mask. 

 

I think anyone who thinks they can laugh them off will end up being put off of the ship and complete financial responsibility for getting themselves home.  As bigrednole said, the lines will take these rules seriously.  These rules will be backed by passenger signed cruise contract language and corporate lawyers to deal with people who try and get cute.

 

Only one or two examples will be required before people adjust to the "new normal."

 

Don't forget that other passengers will be raising a stink if people aren't following the rules.