Vaccine Requirement News

[Arizona Wildcat]

9 hours ago, Iamcruzin said:

My 88 yr old mother is physically unable to leave the house. My father has to pay an ambulette to take her to the Dr. We still can't figure out how to get the vaccine to her. However, a visiting nurse told them that eventually they will have access to the vaccine and will be making house calls. Now that J&J is available maybe that will happen sooner than later.

Local grocery began as a vaccination center last week.  One of the pharmacists is giving vaccinations via house calls.  So is our county health department.

If she can be transported wonder why an appointment could not be scheduled in the ambulatory?  Most vaccinations here are drive through.  You get your jab without getting out of your auto.

[firefly333]

4 minutes ago, Arizona Wildcat said:

Local grocery began as a vaccination center last week.  One of the pharmacists is giving vaccinations via house calls.  So is our county health department.

If she can be transported wonder why an appointment could not be scheduled in the ambulatory?  Most vaccinations here are drive through.  You get your jab without getting out of your auto.

Meals on wheels is scheduling here for those who cannot get out.

[Ourusualbeach]

1 hour ago, coffeebean said:

Will there be further testing of the kids during the cruise? Any word on that?

Nothing mentioned. 

[HBE4]

33 minutes ago, Arizona Wildcat said:

The CLIA has yet to answer the CDC questions from late last year.  The CDC has the responsibility for controlling/reduction of disease.  Obviously not cruising cannot increase COVID, so the CDC has little or no incentive to issue mandates to CLIA.  CLIA needs to get off its rear and give case levels when they will look at resumption of cruises, put forth port agreements and provide specific protocols to be followed.  Saying we are evaluating have passengers vaccinated doesn't cut it.

 

+1.

 

I always had the impression that the cruise lines were just going to wait it out. Sitting on enough cash to last until the end of the year with the ability to raise more, they were going to make minimal effort to restart.

 

Just my opinion, based on nothing more than my gut feeling.

 

[firefly333]

5 minutes ago, HBE4 said:

 

+1.

 

I always had the impression that the cruise lines were just going to wait it out. Sitting on enough cash to last until the end of the year with the ability to raise more, they were going to make minimal effort to restart.

 

Just my opinion, based on nothing more than my gut feeling.

 

Or at least until nov 1st when the cdc regulations expire. Rcl now has enough cash for a year sitting it out I read with the last stock sale. Today rcl dipped on the news they sold a bunch more shares at $30 a share. 

[sushitex]

Last week or the week before, Governor Abbott came to our city (Corpus Christi) to observe and commend our city firefighters, who started a program a month or two ago, in which they drive to local seniors' homes who are Meals on Wheels clients. The firefighters have been administering the COVID vaccine  to these seniors. Abbott's visit has resulted in other locales in Texas to use firefighters to administer the vaccine in a like manner. For once, our city got it right (although I now have new respect for our city/county health department, which has been doing most of our local COVID vaccine clinics, including the mega-clinics, where husband and I received our 2 doses of Moderna.) 

Edited March 5, 2021 by sushitex

[lovelife]

8 hours ago, island lady said:

 

Next cruise will put me as "newbie"...AKA baby Pinnie.  I will try not to be pesky also.  😄 

Great!  Hope it's real soon. ☺️

[coffeebean]

4 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

 

 

OMG....We've all been there. Too funny!

[coffeebean]

1 hour ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Diabetics (type 2) are also encouraged to eat better and exercise more but sadly that rarely happens. 

I was making a point that Diabetes is an autoimmune disease. I have no doubt some people did not know that.

[ONECRUISER]

3 hours ago, shipgeeks said:

I agree.  Saying 100% vac plus saying unvac kids can sail does not make sense.

In seagoing terms, all "souls" should be vaccinated, IMO.

CC polls are showing that the majority of us will choose not to sail if that requirement is not in place. So they will lose us, and many other adults, in favor of children who probably don't spend as much onboard?

I don't get it.

Yup, kids will be on w/o Vaccines and most likely Adults w/medical exceptions. Longer the Stoppage goes on less likely 100% Adult required. Need start going on Longer Royal Cruises I do every year. Oct-Dec 10-14 niters, at most 20-30 Kids onboard Radiance Class last 6yrs. Even last two over Thanksgivings had less then 20 each...

Edited March 6, 2021 by ONECRUISER

[mredandchis]

23 hours ago, jp2746 said:

I hope they refund cruises for people who can not get the vaccine (we have one planned for July).  Our family has autoimmune issues.  We can not get the vaccine, but did get Covid.  Two days and our whole family was over it.  I never had symptoms.  So, that would be a shame if we never get to cruise again as we are relatively young.  But, I guess with a 99.9% recovery rate in our age group and everyone else on board is vaccinated it's too big of a risk.  I wish they would allow us to sign something that says if we get sick we pay for the cost of everything ourselves.  We love cruising and I would take the chance.  Covid for us was easier than a cold.  It went away faster and we had less symptoms.  

 

I still have an issue with the fact that if you have the vaccine why it matters if I don't?  You are protected, right?  And if you are not, why get the vaccine in the first place?  If you can still get Covid and transmit Covid, what exactly does the vaccine do?  You will still have a ship load of people in close quarters getting off at ports where they can pick up Covid and bringing it back to the ship.  If it makes the illness less intense then you should be able to get over it easily and there will be no reason to hospitalize, quarantine, etc on the ship.  Just saying.  Yes I am a little upset that because we can't get the vaccine we may not ever be able to cruise or fly again.  We should be covered by ADA.  It isn't our fault.  Sorry, had to vent.  

I am a bit confused.  Are you saying you can't get the vaccine because you have  autoimmune issues?   A friend of mine is 68 with autoimmune disease and his doc highly recommended he get one because he was at high risk catching covid.  He already had his second dose  Said he had a headache , was tired and over all ached for 2 days but is fine now.  I get my number 2 on monday.  

 

I did a quick search and found this. 

 

“Although there is limited data from large population-based studies, it appears that patients with autoimmune and inflammatory conditions are at a higher risk for developing hospitalized COVID-19 compared to the general population and have worse outcomes associated with infection,” said Dr. Jeffrey Curtis, chair of the ACR COVID-19 Vaccine Clinical Guidance Task Force. “Based on this concern, the benefit of COVID-19 vaccination outweighs any small, possible risks for new autoimmune reactions or disease flare after vaccination.”

 

As far as your point, in general, I agree.  There was a risk, to parts of the population , that would get severely ill and possible die if they caught Covid. We have had 533,000 not make it.  I am one of those people.  But the vaccine will reduce my chances of getting extremely ill or even getting sick at all.  So the idea of covid acting more like a flu bug or something with herd immunity isn't so critical even in close quarters. 

 

I am concerned that John Doe doesn't get the shot and contracts Covid and gets SERIOUSLY ill and scares the crap outta the powers to be on a cruise  and they LOCK DOWN.  I do not want to be on a locked  down cruise. 

 

As for you, if you had covid then you now have some immunity to it.  You obviously wont be hospitalized and could shake it off again.  If your doctor says you can't get the shot then you can get a test and if clean board with everyone else. 

[Charles4515]

8 minutes ago, mredandchis said:

I am a bit confused.  Are you saying you can't get the vaccine because you have  autoimmune issues?   A friend of mine is 68 with autoimmune disease and his doc highly recommended he get one because he was at high risk catching covid.  He already had his second dose  Said he had a headache , was tired and over all ached for 2 days but is fine now.  I get my number 2 on monday.  

 

 

I am confused too. I have a family member in her 30's who was prioritized and recieved the vaccine because she has an autoimmune issue. In my county people with autimmune issues have been given priority and are in the same category as 65 plus. 

[Milwaukee Eight]

1 hour ago, sushitex said:

Last week or the week before, Governor Abbott came to our city (Corpus Christi) to observe and commend our city firefighters, who started a program a month or two ago, in which they drive to local seniors' homes who are Meals on Wheels clients. The firefighters have been administering the COVID vaccine  to these seniors. Abbott's visit has resulted in other locales in Texas to use firefighters to administer the vaccine in a like manner. For once, our city got it right (although I now have new respect for our city/county health department, which has been doing most of our local COVID vaccine clinics, including the mega-clinics, where husband and I received our 2 doses of Moderna.) 

We had another disappointing news report this evening. One of the Federal sites in Orlando had plenty of vaccines available but the people they were intended for just didn’t show up in the numbers expected. They said they could use the leftover tomorrow and the news media said they would be open again tomorrow. No appointment required.  
 

M8

[mredandchis]

9 hours ago, jp2746 said:

Exactly, except the goalpost keeps moving.  It's like the flu, you get the vaccine every year, but it is rarely for the strain going around.  So, why get it?  My father got the vaccine because his doctor told him that if he got Covid he had a 40% chance of dying!!!  He is 76 and has NO comorbidities.  I explained that this was not true according to the CDC.  But, he did not understand why his doctor would lie to him and he believed him over me.  I feel like some doctor's are scaring people to death!  Literally.  

 

But I think I have found a work around.  If they say you have to have the antibodies or a vaccine, I will just get an antibody test since I have had Covid.   If I no longer have the antibodies, I will just make sure I am exposed and get it a month or so before I go.  That way, I am sure to have the antibodies and don't have to risk my life to go on a cruise.  

I would have a tendency to trust my doctor over the CDC.  CDC is a government bureaucracy.  This thing is working differently on different people. One person doesnt even feel it and another gets sicker than a dog.  

 

 I also think we have been lied to many times. And it has been overly politized.   I can't even trust the counts they are keeping.  

 

My mother died last month in a nursing home.  They routinely tested her on friday  and saturday she started having problems breathing and wouldnt eat.  Nurse was called in on sunday, I was told monday it didn't look good because of the labored breathing and not being able to swallow.  wednesday they found out she was postive for covid and she went into auto breathing and was unresponsive.  She died that friday.   Did Covid do it or was it her time?  I think it was more her time.

 

As far as antibodies the truth is, if you research, that antibodies go away for everything after 60 to 120 days.  But Antibodies are created by b cells and t cells.  They are the scouts that look for the virus.  they last a lot longer.  If the virus it encountered by t cells they nudge the b cells to create antibodies.   t cells are created and they can find them on the second day after you caught covid.  And they find that these t cells persist after the antibodies disappear.  They will be able to tell us how long these t cells last but so far the t cells persist.  

 

One issue people dont understand it what we call the flu virus us actually different viruses that make it up.  And they try to predict if it will be A B C or D.  There are also some other viruses that even include some strains of Corona that make up the flu season.  

 

I think what we need is better testing.  First a test more reliable for covid and one that can identify the t cells or b cells .  Because if you really had covid (trusting the test) then you have the cells needed to kick it out faster.  Which makes you part of herd immunity.  And for that I would like to thank you for your service, monday I get my second shot and I will join you 14 days later.

 

[BirdTravels]

6 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

Diabetics (type 2) are also encouraged to eat better and exercise more but sadly that rarely happens. 

So, all type 2 diabetics don't eat well and don't exercise? Really?

[Iamcruzin]

6 hours ago, Arizona Wildcat said:

Local grocery began as a vaccination center last week.  One of the pharmacists is giving vaccinations via house calls.  So is our county health department.

If she can be transported wonder why an appointment could not be scheduled in the ambulatory?  Most vaccinations here are drive through.  You get your jab without getting out of your auto.

It would mean two trips by appointment using an ambulette service that is drop off and pick up only. They won't wait in a line for a vaccination. Also they come when they are ready. Many times my parents are late for the Dr appointments and they have waited up to 2 hour for the ambulette to pick them up after the appointment. If there is an emergency that is more urgent than your needs you get bumped. This wouldn't work for a covid vaccine appointment.

[AlohaLivin]

On 3/4/2021 at 3:23 PM, island lady said:

 

Me too!  😉 

Us 4 🙂 when the few benefits of being a healthcare provider during covid when it has been so tough. But also ready for everyone and their brother (as they say) to have one too

[Mapleleafforever]

7 hours ago, BirdTravels said:

So, all type 2 diabetics don't eat well and don't exercise? Really?

The vast majority eat too much of the wrong foods and don't move enough. Do you know another cause?

[smokeybandit]

7 hours ago, mredandchis said:

First a test more reliable for covid

 

We have a reliable test. We just refuse to use it correctly.

[Mapleleafforever]

It's still early yet, still much to work out.

 

Sierra-Caro is a spokesperson for Royal Caribbean......

 

"We are still working with the local health authorities on what this will look like and will have more details shortly," Sierra-Caro said, noting that the cruise line is working with Israeli authorities on other details – including whether the type of vaccine received matters. 

[vacationlover_mn]

On 3/4/2021 at 3:12 PM, island lady said:

 

Yup...time for chair hogs, smoking, seat saving, dress codes, unruly children, food quality,...hmmm...am I missing anything?  😉 

Rum runners 🙂. Tipping 🙂. Oh, and pier runners!

[AlohaLivin]

2 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

The vast majority eat too much of the wrong foods and don't move enough. Do you know another cause?

There is a strong genetic basis for diabetes and other insulin disorders such as PCOS. Although I don’t have diabetes, my DNA is absolutely the picture of diabetes if you look at the genetic research (and I have). It’s a matter of both inflammation and how insulin is that within the body.  For example, if you were insulin resistant due to dysfunction in your hormonal system, your body will read that you already have sufficient energy from food and put all your food towards storage  (falsely leading your body to cause fat to be stored). And if you have genes that create that kind of problem, even valiant efforts to be healthy may fail.  It is not remotely true that all people are diabetic just because they overweight or eat poorly, just as it is not remotely true that everyone that is overweight is useless, lazy, and lacking all self-control. In fact, having a metabolic or insulin disorder can cause you to be fat (rather than it just being the opposite).  Clearly like we can get rid of, and feel shame about, every kind prejudice EXCEPT when it comes to body weight and those things perceived related to it. It is also a serious conversation about health issues that seems out of place at a cruise site. 
 

[island lady]

14 hours ago, lovelife said:

Great!  Hope it's real soon. ☺️

 

Hope it's real soon to cruise...someday...for everyone.  😉 

[smokeybandit]

2 hours ago, Mapleleafforever said:

 

 

"... noting that the cruise line is working with Israeli authorities on other details – including whether the type of vaccine received matters. 

Isn't Israel currently only administering the Pfizer vaccine?

Edited March 6, 2021 by smokeybandit

[island lady]

8 hours ago, AlohaLivin said:

Us 4 🙂 when the few benefits of being a healthcare provider during covid when it has been so tough. But also ready for everyone and their brother (as they say) to have one too

 

We have a cruise scheduled for May 30th on Allure, which was supposed to be my birthday cruise, and even more hoped for...our 25th anniversary cruise.  My little sister was to join us...she needs a break like you do.  She is infectious disease specialist doctor...and has been very...very busy as well.  

 

Sigh...I don't have any hope that cruise will go.  But hopefully some day.  🥺